Talk:Douglas M. Webster

This article was nominated for deletion on 6 June 2012 (UTC). The result of the discussion was merge to 1965 Philippine Sea A-4 incident.

This article was nominated for deletion on 28 March 2010 (UTC). The result of the discussion was keep.

Importance

This article contains details about the 1965 Broken Arrow accident aboard the USS Ticonderoga in which a nuclear weapon was lost close to the Japanese coast, in violation of treaties. The pilot D. M. Webster was the sole fatality.

I would argue the relevance of the article. Mark Sublette (talk) 01:08, 28 March 2010 (UTC)Mark SubletteMark Sublette (talk) 01:08, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The incident would probably be notable, the pilot is not. He is known (maybe) for one event. ~~ GB fan ~~ ^talk 01:11, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ah - but by that criterion, Maj. Rudolf Anderson, whose article is long-established, would not be notable either... And this one also involved a nuke. Mark Sublette (talk) 01:14, 28 March 2010 (UTC)Mark SubletteMark Sublette (talk) 01:14, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Just because other articles exist that might be similar in certain ways, does not mean this article should exist. ~~ GB fan ~~ ^talk 01:18, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support speedy deletion: Notable incident, non–Wikipedia–notable individual (which is too bad, every member of the military killed in the line of duty deserves recognition, but Wikipedia is what Wikipedia is and he doesn't fit here). — TRANSPORTERMAN (TALK) 03:48, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose speedy delete (Mr Sublette asked me to review the article). The person is notable in his own right, as is the incident, but I can find no information on the incident in question. If it existed, I'd say merge the topics if there is a problem. Otherwise, I say keep it. The article certainly can be improved and mention all of the detail present here and more accurately describe the incident in question. If necessary, they can always be merged. As a fork of such an article, this could certainly easily be a stub, but the information should be kept and improved. Speedy deletion isn't the first course we should try with this article. As mentioned by the nominator for SD, the information about the incident is notable and should have an article. Allow time for improvement and this will become a better encyclopedia for it. — BQZip01 — ^talk 05:36, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I also oppose speedy deletion under this category as the article DOES reliably assert notability. The proper place for this is WP:AFD, not CSD. — BQZip01 — ^talk 07:39, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose speedy delete I have to reiterate up front that I created this article. That being said, I hold that this single individual's article, as a part of the history of the Cold War, is just as valid as that of Major Rudolf Anderson, Jr., the sole combat casualty of the Cuban Missile Crisis. The only difference was that Webster's sacrifice in the same mission of national security makes him as notable as Maj. Anderson's, the only difference being that the A-4 Broken Arrow was hushed up for decades. Mark Sublette (talk) 06:37, 10 June 2012 (UTC)Mark SubletteMark Sublette (talk) 06:37, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

- The speedy deletion debate is long over. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 06:52, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]