Talk:Dorothy Malone

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On 18 September 2005, someone at 69.160.5.155 added everything after the first sentence of the following paragraph (which reflects subsequent edits for spelling and grammar):

Malone was married and divorced three times and has two daughters from her first marriage. Well known in Hollywood to be a heavy drinker, she often came into conflict with film directors and movie moguls alike. Famed actor Richard Widmark walked off a set while filming a picture with her because she showed up to work drunk more times than his patience would allow. During the filming of Written on the Wind she supposedly shot her drunk scene while actually inebriated. Apparently the director didn't realize she was using real alcohol in the props that day. A drunken Dorothy Malone slurred through her lines and staggered around the set and everyone thought she was trying to stay in character, but in reality it was reported she was falling down drunk during most of that film's production.

I'm planning to delete the entire edit. Here's why:

1. The information strikes me as more appropriate to a tabloid than to an encyclopedia.

2. None of the information is documented. (The passages I've highlighted are particularly troublesome.)

3. The edit is disproportionately large.

--ForDorothy 05:00, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Edit request on 23 December 2012

Please note that Dorothy Malone is NOT a Methodist. She is a member of Christ the King Catholic Church in Dallas.

72.92.14.196 (talk) 15:36, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Partly done: I have removed article from Category:American Methodists, but we'd need a reliable source before adding another religion. Favonian (talk) 15:45, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

She was raised Catholic notwithstanding her attendance at Southern Methodist University. Quis separabit? 21:48, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

WHAT A FANTASTIC FIND !!!!!!

Dorothy Malone born Mary Dorothy "Eloise" Maloney in Chicago, Cook, Illinois JANUARY 29, 1924 --> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVSH-BF7W (birth certificate) --> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:HPFK-HW2 (U.S.Census 1930, born between April 1923 - April 1924) --> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KWJL-CYG (U.S.Census 1940, born between April 1923 - April 1924)

Father: Robert Ignatius Maloney born in Kansas about 1896

Mother: Esther Emma Smith Maloney born in Maryland about 1902

Sister: Patsy Jane Maloney (November 13, 1928 - April 20, 1936) --> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K3XW-RCT

                                                               --> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VH8K-LDN

Sister: Joan Esther Maloney (July 3, 1931 - June 21, 1936) --> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K3H2-TVS

                                                              https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V8Q9-38Y

Brother: Robert Bruce Maloney (January 31, 1933 - ) --> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VDNR-R5G

                                                  --> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K6G2-F48

Brother: William Maloney (about 1938 - ) --> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KWJL-CYG

Why I was able to find that ? Because of a certificate of Immigration from Brazil in 1951 with a photo of her and a "supposed" birthdate of January 30, 1925, with the name of his father and mother on it... --> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K8CM-SSM

What did you think of that, dear wikifriends !!! --Danielvis08 (talk) 05:31, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

@Danielvis08 -- very well done, sir. Kudos. Quis separabit? 21:50, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Offhand, given that Maloney is a common last name, I'm having difficulty reconciling the difference between Mary Dorothy Maloney (b. Jan. 29, 1924) and Dorothy Eloise Maloney (whose immigration paper gives Jan. 30, 1925). I'm keep looking, and thanks to yoru good work there's a lot here to go through. --Tenebrae (talk) 18:21, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

I would like to go with that January 29, 1924, date, but first we've got to confirm Dorothy's birth name — and right now, all we've got is GlamourGirlsOfTheSilverScreen.com. which is an anonymous, self-published fan site and can't be used as a reference citation. (Neither can Listal.com, which is WP:USERGENERATED.) All this means that this article is multiply violating WP:BLP . I'm going to remove the uncited personal-life claims for now and let's you and me dig into this right now as quickly as we can — she's too important to leave her early life blank for long. --Tenebrae (talk) 23:15, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Here's what Historical Gazetteer of the United States by Paul T. Hellmann says at [1]: "Jan. 30, 1925, actress Dorothy Malone born." --Tenebrae (talk) 23:18, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Ok Tenebrae, it's not me who changed it here, I just told you what I just saw on IMDB. --Danielvis08 (talk) 23:24, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Oh, I understand. I apologize if I gave you a misimpression. However, I found citing for a birth name and a birthplace, and I'll try to integrate the birth record now. --Tenebrae (talk) 23:28, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Here I may had found something interesting, Tenebrae. An interview with Dorothy Malone [2] by Gerald Peary in 1985. On the fourth paragraph he say she is aged 60 but in parenthesis he write born in Chicago in 1924. --Danielvis08 (talk) 00:08, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Gerald Peary is certainly a top-name film writer. I'll take a look. What do you think of the cites overall that I've dug up so far? --Tenebrae (talk) 00:12, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Ok, I see that someone put a 1924 date in brackets ... but if this article appeared in The Toronto Globe and Mail on April 15, 1985, and/or in The Chicago Tribune on May 13, 1985, and she was 60 at the time, that would make the January 1925 date correct. That date does coincide with the immigration document you found. ---Tenebrae (talk) 00:15, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Historical Dictionary of Crime Films by Geoff Mayer (Scarecrow Press, 2012, isbn 978-0810867697) also gives 1945 here. As does TCM here. Oy, what a pickle.--Tenebrae (talk) 00:21, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

There are also the 1930 and 1940 Censuses that place his year of birth in 1924. If only The Associated Press could find his birth certificate like they did for Doris Day for his birthday... [3] lol. --Danielvis08 (talk) 00:25, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, that was really something!

If we could only confirm her full birth name or her parents name in a solid WP:RS, that would help clear up the discrepancy between Mary Dorothy Maloney and Dorothy Eloise Maloney. --Tenebrae (talk) 00:41, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

I found the article by Peary in The Chicago Tribune [4] --Danielvis08 (talk) 01:02, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Good find! It still does give her age as 60 in mid-1985, though. My instincts tell me 1924 is correct, and if we could just confirm her parents' name or her full birth name, then we could at least put both years into the article. --Tenebrae (talk) 01:07, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Just found an article who talks about his brother Robert B Maloney [5] and we have a Robert Bruce Maloney born January 31, 1933 on familysearch who's father is Robert I Maloney and mother Emma Smith [6] --Danielvis08 (talk) 01:50, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Double checked. No Dorothy Malone with or without a middle initial (believe it or not) born in Chicago at that period of time but Mary Dorothy Maloney was born 29 January 1924. @Danielvis08 was right. Quis separabit? 21:50, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Yes I have the impression that when she died the medias said 1925 because of IMDb, not reliable, and didn't take notice that his daughter said she died at 93, shortly before his 94th birthday, but the New York Times was wiser, they put by calculation, she was probably born January 30, 1924 instead of 1925, so they put January 30, 1924, without checking his real birth certifiicate. And for his birth name it's Mary Dorothy Maloney, Eloise must have been added later. I corrected it in the french article also. --Danielvis08 (talk) 00:17, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

I wholeheartedly bow to my good colleague Danielvis08's ever-exhaustive and impeccably careful research. Great work. I might tweak the wording of the citations for formatting purposes is all. --Tenebrae (talk) 17:53, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Thank you very much my good friend ! --Danielvis08 (talk) 19:42, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Embarrassing death age?

How embarrassing is it to us that we cannot agree on the age at death of a very famous woman born in the 20th century? Shall we settle what's the most reliable source through an RfC, or what else can we do? --SergeWoodzing (talk) 00:06, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Fixed. Thx. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 07:37, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

@SergeWoodzing -- Seems to be resolved. Quis separabit? 23:16, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Date of Her Birth

There are no sources that say she was born on January 29 1924, her birthdate was on January 30, 1924. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.38.189.88 (talk) 16:55, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

January 29, 1924 is correct per Chicago Vital Statistics birth records at familysearch.com. How and why the date and year came to be changed is unknown. Hardly seems worth the effort to make herself a year and a day younger, but who knows how it started. Thanks. Quis separabit? 18:11, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

Could she have been born very close to midnight? The thing about death and birth records is that while they are considered primary source documents, they are only as good as the person filling out the form. And the more people you have in that chain of information, the more times things can get amended. This is why I would say that the birth certificate and subsequent records (SSN forms, etc.) could end this debate. 40+ years of genealogy taught me that. Sjkoblentz (talk) 15:23, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

This seems to be POV

I find the following statement to be untrue and very POV.

"She had been one of the last surviving stars from the Golden Age of Hollywood."

In fact, looking at the list it refers to, she is nowhere near one of the "last". Sjkoblentz (talk) 15:18, 30 December 2018 (UTC)