Talk:Dong Leshan

A fact from Dong Leshan appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 29 March 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Dong Leshan has been cited as "one of the best and most prolific Chinese translators in the 20th century"?

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 20:59, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Dong Leshan has been cited as "one of the best and most prolific Chinese translators in the 20th century"?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/2021 Tokyo Marathon

Created by Kingoflettuce (talk). Self-nominated at 20:54, 9 March 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Comment I'd love to review this, but I need a source for that quote before proceeding, all hooks need to be sourced, especially quotes. Ornithoptera (talk) 23:16, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Ornithoptera: It is sourced---in the article ... It's not compulsory to cite the source in the nom page and why I don't do that almost ever (see my 100 other noms) is that I think in reviewing the article (not just the hook) you'll naturally come across the source (if any) in the article itself. Anyway, just for you, it's Song 2013, Biographical Dictionary of the People's Republic of China @pg.69 Peace, Kingoflettuce (talk) 23:51, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

Adequate sourcing:
Neutral:
Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: @Kingoflettuce: A bit of a sassy response, but no matter, thank you for providing a source for the nomination! I don't really know as to why the sources are listed without the source links when they are readily available online, so I would implore you to do so when you have the time. This isn't mandatory to the nomination, but it would be helpful for future readers. Thank you for your patience! Ornithoptera (talk) 06:16, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Going back and finding out that the Yang source is from a predatory open access journal so I'll temporarily mark the DYK as a ? until that issue is resolved, theres probably other reliable secondary sources that could back up to back up Yang's claims, but for now since the article relies quite a bit from Yang I have to note that concern and hold back from approving the article just yet. Ornithoptera (talk) 06:31, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Ornithoptera: Oh, didn't realise that--first time encountering this. Are articles from predatory journals unreliable by that very fact? Yang Kun teaches translation at the Guangdong University Of Finance and Economics so at least we know it isn't some rando. There probably exists a Chinese version of the paper hosted by a better journal, I hope---will get around to fixing it soon. Kingoflettuce (talk) 13:22, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Predatory journals tend to lack the adequate peer review that other sources would usually have, so it would be a concern. It would be ideal to track down the citations Yang uses, find the source journal, or find other journals to back it up. It would be a good precaution since the article does rely on the Yang article a decent amount. Ping me when you're able to rectify that and I'll approve the entry! Do your best, you got this! Ornithoptera (talk) 21:49, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Ornithoptera: Very painstakingly, I can now happily confirm that there is a piece by Yang in the Chinese journal World of Translation available on CNKI (which you'll have to register to download the pdf) that basically has the same info, discount some stuff (like the Feng Yidai quote which I've removed). Cheers, Kingoflettuce (talk) 00:45, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Awesome, thanks for that! It was nice working with you! Ornithoptera (talk) 06:17, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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