Talk:Don Alfonso

Actor is Larry Martyn NOT Andrew Sachs

I see this has been reverted to "citation needed" again. A Knight who says Ni says that the citation did not mention Don alfonso. It does. Right at the bottom of the page on IMDb. Also the Leonard Rossiter page shows a photo of Larry Martyn who is quite obviously the actor in the DA film. There was no citation for Andrew Sachs, who looks nothing like the actor in the film, yet that didn't stop Knight from reverting it from Larry Martyn on a previous occasion and suggesting it was vandalism, when someone else had changed it to Martyn (though admittedly the previous contributor misspelt Martyn as "Martin"). I wonder why some editors accept the wrong information without citation and then dismiss the correct information when it IS cited?78.147.98.237 (talk) 17:37, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Re Refs are not good enough. Well, why haven't you removed refs 1, 2 and 3 then? You mean a photograph of the actual actor is not good enough? I think this article could do with a tag or two.-78.147.98.237 (talk) 20:02, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

For those who would like to see a photo of the actor, Larry Martyn, just put his name into Google Image search and his photo is currently the first, there, or try Leonard Rossiter.com and click on Rising Damp and then Supporting cast under cast and characters. You'll find Larry about 3/4 of the way down in alphabetical order of surnames.78.147.98.237 (talk) 20:13, 19 September 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.147.98.237 (talk) 20:09, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

The point in referencing is to support information which has been added. This suggests that you will need a reference that says that Larry Martyn was in fact in the music video, not just "this is a photo of who I think is in the video". Ref's 1 and 2 point to 'literature' reference material, which can be checked, and it does include information to support the part of the article indicated. --TubularWorld (talk) 20:47, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

So how come Andrew Sachs was there for 6 months without any verification when he is clearly not the actor in question and Martyn's photo proves he is the actor, not who I "think" is the actor?78.147.98.237 (talk) 21:35, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

First of all, I had no idea what "IMDb" was in your reference. It doesn't look like a URL, and it's not a clickable link. The other link does look like a URL, but is not clickable, and had to be awkwardly cut and pasted. So when I said the link makes no mention of the film, I was referring to the second one. Now that I've figured out what "IMDb" is, I see the reference is a post on their message board, which is not acceptable. As for why the older change to "Larry Martin" was reverted, I think you answered your own question when you said it was mis-spelled; no reference to an actor with that name could be found.

Now I'm trying to follow your link from "Larry Rositer.com" (which can't be pasted into an address bar that way, because of the space), and clicking on "Rising Damp" as you suggested, which takes me to another page called "videos", and from there I can't find a "supporting cast" link. So I haven't been able to figure out what you are trying to point to. Posting the actual location as a clickable link, instead of vaguely describing how we might get to it, would be much more helpful! In any event, if you are pointing to a picture of Martyn in a different production, and not to a reference that actually states he appears in the Don Alfonso film, it doesn't verify the claim.

Believe me, I do want to see this verified one way or the other, and am not going to take it personally if it turns out to be someone else. Can you say the same? I'm surprised the DVD doesn't credit the actor, and websites for Oldfield, Sachs, and Martyn all make no mention it. (Oldfield's site does have some info about the film, but does not name the actor.) Having seen the DVD, I'm positive it's Sachs, and it's also the right moment in his career for him to have done this. (Maybe that could be said for Martyn too; I don't know.) Sachs was mentioned in an article about the DVD when it came out (and this is where some of the other information about the making of the film comes from), but since there is no credit on the DVD, the author of the article may have simply recognized the actor?

You may be positive it's Sachs, but I'm sorry it really isn't. Now I have no way prove this in a "verified" way (which is why I'm not editing the main article), but you can tell just by looking at him that a) it really isn't b) it is actually Larry Martyn. I have nothing more to offer, other than the anecdotal information that I'm the correct age for having grown up watching both Fawlty Towers and the dozens of bad and not so bad comedies that Larry Martyn has been in.

Andrew Sachs looked like this at the time the video was made ... Andrew Sachs in Fawlty towers ... Andrew's face and bone structure is far thinner than the actor in the video. I don't think that even Andrew's brilliant and extensive comedic acting range extends to making his face wider.

And this is Larry Martyn in Rising Damp playing the part of the Milk Man ... Milk Man in Rising Damp

... you can see him listed as the Milkman in this IMdb entry [1]

Anyway, the answer to your question is that your references were removed because they do not support the claims made, and are not formatted in a usable way that takes the reader to the pages you're trying to use as a reference. This is the correct thing to do, and at the time you posted, the article had the change you wanted, albeit without references, so I'm not certain what your objection is over the identity of the actor.

Since nobody appears to be able to find any valid reference for either name at this time, I propose removing both names entirely. It only takes a few bytes away from the article, and we can add a name in later if the situation changes. --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 00:58, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

May I suggest "The actor in the video is uncredited" as being a more useful addition, as it at least indicates that it's been thought about rather than accidentally omitted?

So you didn't try the simplest option that I suggested then, which was to put Larry Martyn into Google image search? Put it this way: if the film were CCTV footage of a crime, the photo would be sufficient to identify the person in the footage to lead to a conviction. If you really do want to see this verified then just look at the photo. I found it easily enough.--89.243.103.211 (talk) 11:46, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

It still strikes me as absolutely laughable that the pompous "knight who says Ni" still hasn't acknowledged that the actor in the video is Larry Martyn. Wikipedia is supposed to be an encyclopaedia! I came here originally to find the actor's name only to find that this article had Andrew Sachs as the actor even though he bears no resemblance! Knight who says ni: You're nearly a laugh but you're really a cry — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.147.146.205 (talk) 09:59, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Writer category

Should this actually be in the Songs written by Mike Oldfield category, considering it is only arranged by Oldfield? TubularWorld (talk) 19:43, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

I'd say no. (And I'll just use this as an opportunity to pop in and say hello, I'm still watching some of these pages and seeing you keeping them up to date. Keep up the good work!) --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 22:51, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

An appallingly written article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.25.9.83 (talk) 02:05, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Citations, notability

I disagree with SunCreator's tagging of the entire article for "needs citations" and "may not meet notability". I think it satisfies both, and suspect the tag was added because he thinks the synopsis of the music video is too trivia-like. Looking at the rest of the article, it's adequately cited and contains a lot of information about the song's history, and being a music hall standard, it does have a significant history. I've never seen an article threatened for deletion because of an extra section added. Does SunCreator agree that if the video synopsis were to be removed, the article would be in good shape? If so, does he have any suggestions as to how this section could be improved, rather than removed? I realize it is different in tone from the earlier sections, but I don't think it's too different from a typical synopsis on Wikipedia, and articles with these sections are not usually challenged just for having a synopsis. --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 22:56, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Notability?

This article is precisely what I come to WP looking for.

I saw Oldfield the one time he did a local concert here, circa 1980, so I've been listening to him longer than that. The information contained herein is not something I have ever come across anywhere else. So I am pleased it's here.

I concur that the tone of the synopsis section is rather light, but I am personally happier to see someone writing a section of that type, rather than to see any holier-than-thou sort declaring that it must go. I find the holier-than-thou mentality which is so present in WP to be infuriating.

I feel those folks have a "Don't Do, Delete" attitude. If an article is at 90%, then by no means should it be advanced to 100%; the entire thing should simply be obliterated mercilessly. Oh, please.

Varlaam (talk) 23:09, 28 January 2011 (UTC)