Talk:Doms (Bengali)

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Domba vs Dom

Are Domba and Doms (Bengali) the same people? (there's the same photo on both pages) A455bcd9 (talk) 11:36, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

Also, the article says that Dom come from West Bengal but the legend of the photo says: "Portrait of a Dom man taken by an unknown photographer in the early 1860s. In Eastern Bengal, members of the Dom tribe were trappers and hunters, as well as manufacturing mats, baskets and drums in the towns and on occasion acting as undertakers. As" A455bcd9 (talk) 16:45, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

I checked a bit more and it seems that there's nothing specifically Bengali about Doms. Domba and Doms (Bengali) should probably be merged then:

• "According to this Planning Commission report: “The Dom are spread over Punjab, Uttar Pradesh, Bihar, West Bengal, Orissa, Maharashtra and Madhya Pradesh...Scavenging, mat-weaving and basketry, drum beating, removal of dead carcass and attending to cremation grounds, are the traditional occupations associated with the Dom. Many of them have found employment as sweepers in government and private organisations.”" ([1])
• Britannica doesn't mention Bengal either: https://www.britannica.com/topic/Dom-caste
• This article mentions Doms in Varanasi, Uttar Pradesh: "According to Hindu mythology, the Doms were cursed by Lord Shiva when a member from their community named Kallu Dom tried to steal an earring of the goddess Parvati. To gain forgiveness, they agreed to become the keepers of the flame. [...] Doms belong to the lowest ranks of the “Dalits”, themselves at the bottom of the Hindu caste system. Some are employed as farmers or weavers, but many earn their livelihood through the “business of death”." ([2])
• "In Bangladesh, there are two categories of Dom, Bangali and non-Bangali. Non-Bangali Doms were brought to Bengal from Uttar Pradesh, Andhra Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh, Rajsthan, Orissa, Kuch Bihar, Ranchi, Madras, and different parts of Assam in the middle of the British rule in India. Opinions vary as to their influx in Bengal. Some are of the opinion that they migrated to Bengal from the Deccan in the mediaeval period. Other suggest that they came from Patna and Andhra Pradesh of India sometime between 1835 and 1850." [3]
• "Ḍoms (etymology clearly proves a connection between the Indo-European languages of the Ḍom and the contemporary Rom) are members of castes or ethnic groups living mainly in Indian Rajasthan and the Punjab and in northern regions of Pakistan. In today's Indian caste system (which is not accepted, for example, by Buddhism or Tantrism), this group has a low social position. Traditional, inherited professions of its members include mainly music and other types of entertainment, trade, weaving, basket making , sieve making, smithery , cauldron making , and begging." ([4]) A455bcd9 (talk) 17:02, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

@A455bcd9: The sources on this article's Bengali version (bn:ডোম) are exclusively in English, do they help in any way confirming if they're the same or distinct? (I'm not sure how to check the sources.) —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 10:31, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

@CX Zoom: I don't have access to these sources but fwiw when I translate the Bengali article with Google Translate it doesn't say that Dom are only from Bengal, but that there are many of them in West Bengal. A455bcd9 (talk) 14:47, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

@A455bcd9: So, do we merge it or we need a formal discussion about it by adding a merge notice on article and all? —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 11:34, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

I don't know what the procedure is in such a case. What would you recommend? A455bcd9 (talk) 12:18, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

I opened a merge discussion. If there isn't a fact-based opposition in some time, I'd suggest that you can merge them as you see fit, in the direction the references point to. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 10:55, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Proposed merge of Doms (Bengali) into Domba

All references and facts on the two articles point that Domba & Doms (Bengali) are the same people. Please read the #Domba vs Dom section above, where some of the realated discussion has taken place. Thanks! —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 10:43, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

@CX Zoom: Which seems to be the more common name for this group? –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:21, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

As a resident of Bengal, I've always found "Dom" to be more popular term than "Domba" (which I never heard). Although, now *it seems* that "Dom" is the local name for the larger group of people called "Domba". So, I think "Domba" is the common name for this group, when we talk about them as a whole, and just the Bengali ones. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 06:16, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Support - Same people, just one in Bengal region and one across the rest of Indian subcontinent. Muhafiz-e-Pakistan (talk) 20:27, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

  Y Merger complete. Klbrain (talk) 13:44, 6 November 2022 (UTC)