Talk:Dixie/Archives/2016

Dixie Map appears flawed

This map should at the very least include Virginia and West Virginia in dark red, and I really think the whole map is flawed. The definition of the South is south of the Mason-Dixon Line, and who would not include Virginia as part of the South? The Confederacy's capital was Richmond, so Virginia is one of the first states people think of when they think of the South. Some of the shaded/barred states are also almost always included as part of the South, if not always. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.0.236.181 (talk) 15:21, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Agreed, but we can't change it unless somebody would like to make another map. White Arabian Filly (Neigh) 01:37, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

I would argue that the map colors are pretty accurate. They reflect how Dixie has evolved in the last 150 years. Almost nobody thinks of Delaware as being in the south today, but it was a slave-holding state, and it is mostly south of what Americans think of as the Mason-Dixon line (though, technically, the Mason-Dixon line also separates Delaware from Maryland, a little-known east-west division). I lived in central Virginia for nearly 30 years, and it became clear that, culturally and politically, northern Virginia (starting somewhere north of Fredericksburg) is no longer Dixie. I now live on Maryland's Eastern Shore, and it DOES feel like Dixie, for the most part (and was the home of two of our most famous slaves, Harriet Tubman and Frederick Douglass), though the rest of Maryland (whose sympathies during the Civil War were clearly with the Confederacy) does not. Paulmlieberman (talk) 15:37, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Problem

I take issue with the map. Regardless of what the Census or other sources define as "South," I have never seen the likes of Maryland or Oklahoma included under the name "Dixie." There should be a different map created to reflect this. Dustin (talk) 00:08, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

With all due respect, it's not a matter of what any of us have seen or heard. As the term 'Dixie' is most strongly associated with the Southeastern United States and the Confederacy, you would need to document that Maryland would not have been considered part of, or sympathetic with, those entities before and during the Civil War. As to Oklahoma, certainly that is more problematic, but see Little Dixie (Oklahoma). Paulmlieberman (talk) 13:56, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Maryland seems to be a poor example. Per Maryland in the American Civil War it was a slave state before the War and during the war, soldiers from Maryland enlisted in both sides of the conflict, and the anti-Union Baltimore riot of 1861 took place in its area. It was also the home state of Confederate general George H. Steuart and pro-Confederate assassin John Wilkes Booth.

While Maryland actually was under Union control for most of the War, following the war there was apparently pro-Confederate sentiment in the area. Confederate war memorials were erected in Maryland, monuments to both Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson were constructed in Baltimore, and a retirement home specifically for Confederate veterans operated from 1888 to 1932 (when the last veterans apparently died). The official state anthem Maryland, My Maryland is actually a pro-Confederate song which denounces Abraham Lincoln as a "tyrant", "despot", and "Vandal", and calls the Union forces "Northern scum".

If pro-Condederate sympathies get to decide what is Dixie, I doubt there is a more "Southern" state than Maryland. Dimadick (talk) 19:15, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

New map added

I added a new map and reference based on the data from a recent Vox.com online poll of 40,000+ people. I can alter it if required. --Korakys (talk) 09:20, 5 October 2016 (UTC)