Talk:Dixie/Archives/2014

Dixie mpa

Can anyone provide even one piece of evidence to verify that Oklahoma is usually included as part of Dixie? I have never heard anything of the sort. Dixie is like the southeast plus portions of Texas from some things I have seen, but Oklahoma, regardless of whether you consider it "southern", needs to be verified as "usually" included with Dixie. Dustin (talk) 23:54, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

I am a bit late on this one, Dustin, but I don't know of anyone who included Oklahoma as part of "Dixie." Where do you come by that? But you can look at any dictionary at all as to see the official definition is almost always defined as the 11 Old Confederate States. Which includes the whole of Texas, not just the southeastern part.

With all due respect, it is obvious by your posts and talk, that you have a personal issue with Oklahoma being included as part of the South, much less Dixie. Which is fine on some levels; we all have POV's. But it really does seem like you take it to the point of substituting that POV in place of valid and verified sources. In any event, all one has to do is look at the dictionary. Regards! TexasReb (talk) 06:51, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

LATER EDIT: I apologize, Dustin, as I read parts of your letter wrong. I see now that you did not mean the southeastern part of Texas, but the southeastern United States plus Texas. Sorry for the mistake! Regards! TexasReb (talk) 04:43, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Present Map problems?

I just wanted to suggest that the map at the top of the article be either deleted or replaced with another. This same map was once included on the "Southern United States" page, but was eventually eliminated at the suggestion of many editors who felt -- and I agreed -- that it was really not supported by any sources, but reflected quite a bit of POV. It was eventually replaced by one which indicated the South as defined by the U.S. Census Bureau (as is done with other U.S. regional pages), and also included a map of the "historic South" (the 11 Old Confederate States).

As it applies to this article, it is the latter definition which is almost always used to officially define "Dixie." Also, the caption itself makes no reference to Dixie at all. I confess though, I don't know exactly what to replace it with, other than a map of the Old Confederate States, which qualifies it by the tagline as it being the official definition.

So far as a more detailed one, I always thought that old "telephony" map -- which was removed -- was a pretty good one; however its real problem was that the yellow and red colors on the map were not explained. (See "Should We Keep This Image" article on the Talk page). Here is the old map itself:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ethnotelephonic_dixie.jpg

And of course, in addition to the color-code problem (although just going by guess as to where they are most concentrated, it seems as if the red areas indicate a stronger Dixie identification), there are some obvious anomalies on the map. For instance, much of the Dixie identification in Florida -- except for northern Florida -- was due to the presence of Winn-Dixie stores. And the "Dixie Highway" extension into the lower Midwest is pretty much the reason for that, as the local vernacular in Utah for a part of the state being called "little Dixie."

So again, I confess I don't know what to replace it with (if anything at all, or if removal is even the consensus). Anway

Anyway, what do y'all think and any suggestions? TexasReb (talk) 07:25, 11 October 2014 (UTC)