Talk:Divorce demography

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Internationalization

Why is this page limited to 45 countries? Ningbojoe 22:55, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

47 now. I expect it's because not every country tracks divorce statistics, or is willing to share information with researchers. It could also be plain old laziness on the part of the researchers, too. Or perhaps the statistics are out there, waiting for you to find them and add them here. Get cracking!—dragfyre 04:17, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Japan

Can anyone please make clear what is the divorce rate of Japan. The two figures on the same website are very different.

http://www.divorcerate.org/divorce-rate-japan.html

http://www.divorcereform.org/gul.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by San narula (talk • contribs)

Misleading statistics

I think this page needs a bit more explanation as to what the percentages mean- it can be very misleading to simply say that x% of marriages end in divorce. I think this link explains it best

A. . . if one assumes a continuation of recent divorce trends, about 4 out of 10 first marriages to the youngest cohort may eventually end in divorce. Alternatively, if one assumes a return to the pattern of divorce during the 1975 to 1980 period, 5 out of 10 first marriages may eventually end in divorce (Current Population Reports, P23-180, 1992, p. 5),

I've added the {{npov}} because I feel this is poorly represented. --Wafulz 21:58, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed that this page needs way more explanation before it's fit to be called accurate. One big thing that stands out for me is that the 54.8% listed for the United States seems to be in direct contradiction with the following statement made under the Statistics section of the Divorce article:

...all marriages that eventually end in divorce peaked in the United States at about 41% around 1980, and has been slowly declining ever since, standing by 2002 at around 31%.

I'm thinking there is a huge gap of methodology between this article and the Divorce article, and my impression is that the latter seems to produce somewhat more reasonable and well-explained statistics. Any thoughts about this? I'm far from being a statistics champ, just wanting to find some accurate information on this topic... —dragfyre 04:08, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rural/Urban Divide

Can you expand the article adding the percentaje of divorces in cities and in countryside pardon my poor english. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.172.95.47 (talk)

Who Gets Divorced?

This page just starts to approach the idea of who gets divorced. For example: for years I've heard the statistic that half of marriages in the US end in divorce. But that doesn't say anything about the prevalence of divorce in the population... how many people have or will eventually be divorced? With a sample population of 100 people, if some small group intermarry and divorce multiple times you can end up with a 50% divorce rate while only a few people actually experience divorce. This survey seems to show that about 30% of the US population actually have experienced divorce: http://sda.berkeley.edu/D3/GSS2000/Docyr/gss20001.htm#divorce — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.19.6.125 (talk)

I think this is a very good point and a way to fix it would be to have a table that looks at divorce rate of first marriages — Preceding unsigned comment added by SomeUser5050 (talk • contribs) 17:50, 16 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

possible sources for data

"The World's Women, Trends and Statistics," UN, 2000.
Monthly Vital Statistics Report, Vol. 49, No. 6, National Center for Health Statistics.
"UN Demographic Yearbook, 1999", United Nations Publication, 2001.
"Recent demographic developments in Europe, 2001," Council of Europe Publishing, 2001.
"Statistics in focus", "Population and Social Conditions".
Jean-Paul Sardon, "Recent Demographic Trends in the Developed Countries," Population - English Edition, Vol. 57, Jan-Feb' 2002.
http://www.divorcereform.org/stats.html (unreliable source but may provide clues for reliable sources)
http://www.sawnet.org/divorce/
*[http://www.repubblica.it/2007/06/sezioni/cronaca/istat-divorzio/istat-divorzio/istat-divorzio.html "Istat: i divorzi in continuo aumento 74 per cento in pi� in dieci anni - cronaca - Repubblica.it"]. Retrieved 2007-06-26. {{cite web}}: replacement character in |title= at position 56 (help)(in Italian)

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.247.250.122 (talk) 19:30, 15 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Marriage/Divorce ratios are missing

Why even have a table that lists this data if it's gone? 70.230.155.104 (talk) 21:29, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It encourages people who have the data to add it I guess.-Wafulz (talk) 22:05, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

But it doesn't currently, can we make people aware without haveing null paramiter in artical? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.235.208.224 (talk) 07:07, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What is this page even saying?

The opening paragraph gets into why several methodologies are flawed, but doesn't resolve anything. It feels like the final paragraph was cut off or something. It also gives very little indication what the statistics in the table actually are. Are the crude rates all percentages, and then ratio is a ratio of two percentages? This whole page feels lacking beyond the underexplained table of data. Spawn777 (talk) 17:44, 4 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I completely agree. The purpose of this article should be clarified. It seems like it is more about the sociological study of divorce (which might include sociologists theories, as well as empirical/statistical studies) than merely the demographic factors of divorce (much more restrictive, this would require removing much of this article content).

If we are really trying to understand divorce as a social phenomenon, could we change the title of this page, from "Divorce demography" to "Sociology of divorce" or "Propensity to divorce".

Edmond8674 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edmond8674 (talk • contribs) 13:54, 3 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. The table give some numbers under a column title, but in the "explanation" at the bottom the names are different, so not clear to what they refer in the data table...--Lobianco (talk) 12:09, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Israel's divorce rate source

The source for Israel's divorce rate is an Iranian article, I don't read Persian but I think it's hardly a good source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.103.71.4 (talk) 20:12, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Bold Title?

Currently, the title links to Divorce and demography. Should it simply be boldened and the links remove per MoS? Dat Guy^Talk_Contribs 14:53, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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India is not in the list

You should add india ,which got one of the lowest divorced rates in the world Madmax9141999 (talk) 14:55, 8 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Divorce ratio in Portugal 94%

Does that mean 94% of marriages in Portugal fail within a year? That sounds hard to believe... Chaptagai (talk) 09:42, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Chaptagai I have just checked the source for this. Eurostat now gives the rate for Portugal as 91.5% in 2020. I know that historical statistics get revised, so it might have been rounded down since the page was made. The figure for 2021 is 59.5%. I suggest that 2020 was an unusual year because of the lockdowns' beginning and a lot of couples' having to spend too much time with one another. In terms of the future of this page, it needs to be updated with the 2021 data from Eurostat. This will not be a quick job. I'm willing to help, but I call on others to join in. Epa101 (talk) 16:18, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hey there thanks for your reply. That's a possibility but that would be mainly a Portugal (and Spain) thing, because I just checked and the United States had 45% in the table for 2020. Maybe the lockdowns were more tight in Portugal and Spain. They appear to define it as marriages and divorces per 1,000 in that year. I don't think that's a good metric quite frankly, because it's just that one year. One would be interest in how many marriages end in divorce overall at some point, so maybe after 5 or 10 or whatever number of years. Kind regards. Chaptagai (talk) 20:30, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Chaptagai I agree that divorce should be per marriages rather than per capita. Do we have the strength to overall this article so thoroughly? Epa101 (talk) 20:46, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Cyprus

Cyprus is not in Asia, it's in Europe 2A00:23C7:4E07:4E01:895:2627:929:A543 (talk) 08:25, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed merge of List of countries by the highest number of divorce rate into Divorce demography

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result of this discussion was merge. Wikishovel (talk) 13:01, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Divorce demography contains the same list, but for more countries, with more detail for context, and better sources. The correct title would be List of countries by divorce rate, which already redirects to Divorce demography. Wikishovel (talk) 11:30, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per above reasoning ForsythiaJo (talk) 17:20, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support List of countries by the highest number of divorce rate is indeed a poor title and the article is a poorly sourced, shorter list than what is in Divorce demography. I don't think there's actually much to merge and if the present discussion hadn't been started, I would have supported any sort of BOLD move to simply redirect List of countries by the highest number of divorce rate to Divorce demography. Pichpich (talk) 21:02, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Pichpich: those all sound like good reasons to oppose, and I'm fully open to persuasion on this. Wikishovel (talk) 22:11, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hem... I don't understand this sentence. I am supporting the merge you proposed. Pichpich (talk) 22:15, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But my proposal might have been mistaken. I can see several unreliable sources (like Forbes) supporting the assertion that Maldives has the highest divorce rate, but can't find a source on the Maldivian govt's website, or something of equivalent reliability. If merging won't improve the target, then let's redirect instead. Wikishovel (talk) 22:19, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.