Talk:District of Columbia Protective Services Division

Uncited additions contradict earlier uncited additions

Marking for future work: this text which contradicted some earlier uncited text, needs checking. PRRfan (talk) 16:24, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Is there a new badge?

Putting this unsourced addition from an anon here: "The badge and shoulder patch displayed on this site was used during Chief Cannon's era, and is not current." PRRfan (talk) 16:14, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

The unsourced information regarding the badge and shoulder patch are untrue as are most of the other information provided by John Firito, of Miami Beach Florida, who is a former employee of PSD. Although during the Gray Administration there was an attempt to change the badge and patch for PSD, this NEVER happened. The Gray Administration also attempted to make other changes to PSD, however these changes were never enacted and/or were reversed when Mayor Gray left office. The unofficial Facebook Page of PSD, provides current photos of officers in action and shows that officers are still wearing the badge and patch authorized by the District of Columbia Protective Services Police Identification Act of 1982 . Mjw064 (talk) 16:49, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

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However, the City Council has indicated that it does not regard the division as a law-enforcement agency is ERRONEOUS

The document you are citing is NOT from the City Council, nor does it indicate that the Council does not consider PSD a law enforcement agency as their opinion wouldn't even matter in that regard as PSD is an Executive Branch Agency. The cited document is a brief that was submitted to the Council from Rodney Parks, who was PSD's Interim Chief after Louis Cannon was removed from office. The document was submitted to the Council's Committee on Public Safety and the Judiciary and the Committee for Government Operations with erroneous information that was NOT approved by the Mayor's Office, or even the Director of DGS and used to further his own agenda. When the document was found AFTER the budget support act had already passed, Councilmembers all indicated they had no idea the verbage was in the act and were quite upset that the erroneous information was slipped into the massive Budget Support Act in an attempt to get one over on them. Rodney Parks was subsequently forced out and replaced by Jez Plenkins. The document you keep citing is a BRIEF! It contains information that is not factual and was from a previous Mayoral Administration. Stop using it please. Mjw064 (talk) 17:01, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

I confess that I am confused. The document in question is a May 22, 2013, report from the chairman of the Council to the rest of the Council. Why do you say it is "a brief that was submitted to the Council from Rodney Parks"? PRRfan (talk) 23:03, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

The information contained in the document is erroneous and was submitted to the Chairman of the Council and the Chairs of the Public Safety & Judiciary and Government Operations Committees by Rodney Parks, who was at the time the Interim Chief of PSPD and his co-conspirator in the City Administrator's Office; Matthew Yuckenberg. The information they submitted, asking for a change in PSPD's name based upon "confusion regarding whether PSPD members were LEO's or not" was Rodney Parks OPINION and untrue. He also attempted to make many other changes including changing PSD Officers Job Classification to "security guard" and removing the emergency equipment from PSD's cruisers. However he was chased out of town, once his shenanigans were brought to light. Thus, PSD Officers still have a job classification of -0083 Police Officer- (the same as MPD), cruisers are still equipped with emergency equipment (including red and blue lights) and patches and badges still say POLICE. Additionally, the police credentials he confiscated from PSD members during his tenure have since been returned to ALL sworn members of PSD. This erroneous information was then submitted to the Council as factual information and hidden in the FY 2012 Budget Support Act. The sentence you keep referencing was the JUSTIFICATION for the proposed legislation, which again was Rodney Parks OPINION. Chech out DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA v BARBUSIN, in the trascripts of the case, you will again see that the Attorney General (a Gray appointee) argued this same thing and lost. Judge Stuart Nash ruled that without a doubt, members of PSPD were LEO's and have full law enforcement authority. Since that case, the Gray Administration backed off their previous position that PSPD and then PSD members were not LEO's. Since Gray left office and the Bowser Administration has taken over, ALL Gray Administration policies have been reversed. Either way, the paragraph does not add any substance to the article and was submitted by a disgruntled former employee who now lives in Miami Beach Florida and was turned down for reemployment with PSD; who added tons of other erroneous information to this article. If PSD has no law enforcement authority, how has PSD made over 60 arrests (felony and misdemeanor) thus far for 2015; while the DC Housing Authority Police have only made 33 arrests so far in 2015? OBVIOUSLY, PSD members are LEO's and perform a full range of police fucntions... all this is Public Information. Do a FOIA if you are so interested. Mjw064 (talk) 08:30, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

You sound well-informed on all this, which is great. And let me offer a belated welcome to Wikipedia; I'm glad you're contributing here. There are a few rules to this "encyclopedia anyone can edit," and one of the most important is that every time we put something into an article, we need to cite it -- that is, we need to furnish a URL or other reference point to vouch for its accuracy. You can see why, I'm sure: since literally anyone can edit an article, typing whatever comes into their head, it's important to have a standard for legitimacy. That standard, for lack of a better one, is to be able to cite a published reference. I'd love to be able to include in this article the things you've written above -- the Nash ruling, the Bowser reversal, the arrests, etc. But the way to do that is to note published sources that say it. Can you provide such references? PRRfan (talk) 03:14, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

(b) For the purposes of subsection (a) of this section, the term: (1) "Law enforcement officer" means:

(A) A sworn member of the Metropolitan Police Department; (B) A sworn member of the District of Columbia Protective Services; Mjw064 (talk) 17:03, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

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