Talk:Dinocephalosaurus/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: IJReid (talk · contribs) 05:31, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

I'm gonna steal this before anyone else can get to it, or else it'll probably be stolen from me. I'll skip the lead review until the very end, so I get a sense of what would be best to summarize. IJReid ^{{{T - C - D - R}}} 05:31, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

General

• The article overall looks good, it is comprehensive and descriptive enough, but I'm unsure about the page organization. Wouldn't it make more sense to have the Discovery information before the Description, like in WP:DINO articles?

I think that only makes sense if there is a dependency between the sections, which there is not. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 15:49, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

• I think the {{speciesbox}} is preferred over {{automatic taxobox}} for monotypic genus articles

I like to use {{automatic taxobox}} to allow for the possibility of additional species, but changed. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 15:28, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Description

• Not necessary, but a scale diagram would be nice :)

Yes, I agree, if only I were an artist ;) Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 15:28, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

• "... maximum of at least ... in length" Odd grammar, maybe "... maximum length of approximately ..."

Fixed. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 15:28, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

• Could probably have a little more in the description summary, about general proportions or sizes of specific ages

Discussions about proportions are currently in the subsections. Move? Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 15:48, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Only the stuff that overlaps between subsections should be moved (neck:torso, neck:total body). IJReid ^{{{T - C - D - R}}} 16:14, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Moved and reworded. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 16:52, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

• Extending on above point, maybe include the sizes of relatives as well?

Added Tanystropheus. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 16:52, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

• First sentence of Neck has the odd grammar again, redundancies of "long"

Fixed. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 15:28, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

• "... not completely elongated" clarify if this means they are partially elongated or not elongated

Fixed. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 15:28, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

• "Additional distinguishing features ..." distinguishing from what

Fixed. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 15:28, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

• Very sparse description of a feature that seems to be very unique to Dinocephalosaurus

I don't think there's much else I can write without diving into jargon and/or excessive detail. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 15:28, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

I think a general description of the vertebrae would be fine. IJReid ^{{{T - C - D - R}}} 16:14, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Added a comparison to Tanystropheus. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 17:05, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

• Perhaps the Skull description should be before the Neck (anatomically front to back order)

Shifted. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 15:28, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

• "long recess located" could be explained or replaced with a more descriptive word (Skull stnc. 2)

Added a brief description. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 15:48, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

• Redundancies of "nostril" in one sentence, perhaps replace the second mention with "opening" (Skull stnc. 2)

Shifted into the first part of the sentence.

• "... bottom margins of the bones" At this point its unclear as to which "bones", suggest replacing with "... bottom margins of the two snout bones"

Fixed. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 15:28, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

• "Several of them are fang-like" Whats the point of this if you end up listing which ones

Fixed. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 15:28, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

• Tooth discussion could use comparisons (does Tanystropheus have fang teeth?)

Brief discussion added. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 15:48, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

• "peach-shaped, with a narrow front end" typo for pear? because I grow peaches and they are clearly round

No, the source says "peach". Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 15:28, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

• Would be nice to introduce the terms posterior and anterior around here, it'll make wording sentences easier

Introduced and reworded. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 15:48, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

• Very odd to group the trunk with the skull, maybe move trunk information to directly after the neck

Fixed. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 15:28, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

• Not necessary, but left-aligning some images would be good, to prevent them all from being lined up on the right

Fixed. A good idea - the images now "face the text". Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 15:28, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Discovery

• I'm wondering why the two regions were separated into subsections, wouldn't a timeline format or organizing be preferable?

It's roughly in timeline order regardless. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 17:58, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

• "A second specimen, subsequently ..." grammar issue, probably "A second subsequent specimen ..."

Removed entirely. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 17:58, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

• Redundancies of "published" (Panxian stnc. 6)

Fixed. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 17:58, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

• The substrate description and age is more Paleoecology information

Is this normal? Wasn't an issue in past GAs. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 17:58, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

• A reference for the greek words is probably required

Removed. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 17:58, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

• Regarding the two issues about Panxian/Luoping discussion, I'd strongly recommend removing the subsections in Discovery with those titles. As they are currently, the article violates a guideline at WP:MOS, as there are two sections that have duplicate titles, which messes up section linking. To follow this, I would suggest either removing the subsectioning in Discovery, and transfering locality-specific information down to Paleoecology, or removing the subsections in Paleoecology and merging the most section-specific information into Discovery. IJReid ^{{{T - C - D - R}}} 19:11, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Shifted so that the Panxian reptile horizon stuff is introduced in Discovery. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 20:05, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Classification

• The long listing of features might look better if you simply list all the references at the end of the sentence, since there are only 4

Done. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 17:10, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

• Why not use "polyphyletic" instead of "non-monophyletic"

It has been both paraphyletic and polyphyletic. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 17:10, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

• Grammar, use the singular of "form" (Classification stnc. 8)

Done. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 17:10, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

• I would recommend removing all but one reference to the (non-?)monophyly of Protorosauria

Any particular reason? It's supposed to show a variety of studies, not just one. Or remove all of them and just go by Ezcurra's synthesis? Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 17:10, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

I'd say Ezcurras synthesis would be best. This article is about Dinocephalosaurus, so we don't need all the papers just to get across the point that its not monphyletic. IJReid ^{{{T - C - D - R}}} 22:55, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Cleaned up. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 03:09, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

• What I do when referencing papers is I put the reference in the year brackets of the paper (see Europasaurus)

Added a few like that, but I didn't change places where the date was already in the prose.

• Perhaps you can cut down the second cladogram, either that or expand the first so there is less whitespace

Restricted to Protorosauria. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 17:10, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Paleoecology

• Explanation of Lagerstätten might be good

Done. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 05:25, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

• I don't understand the use of M and H and L, especially if not all of them lived alongside Dinocephalosaurus

Removed L/M/H. Should the non-H fauna be removed entirely? Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 05:25, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Rest of paleoecology is good beside stuff directly impacted by the lettering labels

• "Aside from M. panxiensis ..." now without letters theres no indication of Barraccudasauroides being in both.

Fixed. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 17:05, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Other

• Portals and links shouldn't interrupt the reference formatting, place them after

Fixed. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 05:25, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

• Comma needed to fix grammar "expansion of the throat and fang-like teeth" (Lead stnc. 4)

Fixed. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 05:25, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

These above beside–plus I'd like a scale diagram :)–everything here is good. IJReid ^{{{T - C - D - R}}} 04:15, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

No comments on Paleobiology? Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 05:25, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

No, read through it and it seems well written (more images could be cool ;P ). All outstanding points are bolded. If you finish everything else before a scale diagram is made, I'll pass it, but keep nagging you to make one :) IJReid ^{{{T - C - D - R}}} 14:01, 31 October 2017 (UTC)