Talk:Diana Nyad

Sexual abuse

Are we going to mention72.21.122.185 (talk) 16:02, 22 April 2010 (UTC) Nyad's announcement that she was molested by her swim coach?

A late reply, but it is mentioned in the lead. Beeblebrox (talk) 16:21, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Can someone rephrase or possibly remove the bit comparing abuse of young female swimmers to the Sandusky case? Is it there as a comparison, i.e. abuse of female swimmers is extremely prevalent yet gets little press while the Sandusky thing was a huge story? I dunno, but it reads oddly, especially given that Sandusky abused boys. - Peach (talk) 07:05, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

I've deleted the content you mention, Peach. Plus I've moved Elizabeth1848's sex-abuse content to the "Personal life" section, removed unsourced content (see WP:BLP), removed content relating to other girls' allegations and relating to swim coaches in general (since this is one person's biography), and commentary derived from an opinionated Salon blog ("It seems important to Nyad..." is WP:Synthesis that is not acceptable in an encyclopedia). Since the sex abuse allegations are still contested (per the Broward Palm Beach New Times reference), I've removed the name of the particular coach in question, as I thought it violates Wikipedia's protections in WP:BLP. More experienced editors who are aware of the libel/slander issues that Wikipedia avoids, might want to change or trim the content further, based on the references. It's obviously a delicate and controversial topic. — RCraig09 (talk) 20:38, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

I recently moved the mention of her having been sexually abused by her adoptive step father up to the place that first mentions him. A subsequent editor removed the edit, claiming that it was unreferenced and violated a BLP policy. The problem was that the information was referenced to a reliable third party source (the New York Times Magazine) and while perhaps not flattering of her step father, who is no longer alive, it certainly is not slanderous of her. I would like to revert the edit but not before further discussion here. It is not the policy of Wikipedia to avoid mention of unpleasant things from a personal biography— and certainly when the "slander", as such, is not even addressed to the subject of the biography but to a third party (who is not a notable individual and does not have a Wikipedia article written about him). If I am wrong, then we should remove any mention of sexual abuse from the article altogether, no matter where it occurs... But I don't think that this would be in keeping with the goals of the project nor with the preferences of the article's subject herself, who has spoken openly about this issue on more than one occasion and has had her words published saying as much. KDS4444^Talk 03:07, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

KDS4444, it's good you're discussing rather than reverting, as the third step in Wikipedia's WP:BRD dispute resolution concept to avoid edit wars. One critical point is that the NY Times article briefly quotes Nyad as claiming sexual abuse but your content expressed it as fact—a misrepresentation that is a problem whether or not the stepfather is alive, and a point of special sensitivity especially since he's not a public figure. For Wikipedia to print an unproven sexual abuse allegation is beyond "not flattering" and is likely libelous; I haven't researched specific policies beyond WP:BLP that might extend to cases in which (if as you say) the accused is deceased, but as a precaution (along lines you mention above) I've just deleted references to specific accusees in the "Personal life" section. Also, the "preferences of the article's subject herself" do not determine an article's content, especially in cases such as this, in which the subject's own allegations are the issue. Since this is a biography about Nyad, and she apparently publicly discusses the issue voluntarily, the present neutral-point-of-view and well-sourced mention of her allegations in the "Personal life" section seemed appropriate to retain. Comments from knowledgeable editors are invited! — RCraig09 (talk) 05:51, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Links that don't appear to support the reference

Also, two of the links that purport to reference her public revelations about sexual abuse appear not to mention her. #41 (Moms Team) and #42 (20/20 video). 108.180.252.74 (talk) 18:18, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

You are correct. Those two footnotes are now removed. — RCraig09 (talk) 18:53, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Link

=> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/8690381/Diana-Nyad-forced-to-end-swim-from-Cuba-to-Florida.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.74.92 (talk • contribs)

10 mile swim across Lake Ontario?

I'm interested in the section that says Diana completed a record-breaking 10 mile swim across Lake Ontario. Can someone provide some justification for this? Unless it's, like, Burlington to Oakville or something like that, I have no idea what this is about. As far as I can tell, there's no mention of it, even on Diana's website http://diananyad.com. On the website http://soloswims.com/nyad.htm, it does indicate the Diana was the first person to complete a north-south crossing but that it took 18 hours and 20 minutes. Unless someone can provide support for the article's contention that she completed a 10 mile swim across Lake Ontario in 4 hours and 22 minutes, I shall be forced to remove this entry. 209.105.199.39 (talk) 03:17, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Pseudonym?

Anybody know if "Diana Nyad" is a pseudonym? I mean, last name is a homophone for a water spirit, first name is an anagram of the actual spelling of "naiad"? Applejuicefool (talk) 21:10, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

In the Wikipedia article, "Diana Nyad", it is stated that after the death of Diana's biological father, "her mother soon remarried Aristotle Nyad, a Greek land developer, who adopted Diana". Hence it is her true family name, and not of her own choosing. But it was sharp of you to point out that "Diana" is also an anagram of "Naiad", which looks to me like a bridge too far. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.79.143.206 (talk) 20:24, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Thus I take it that 'a bridge too far' means that the anagram need not be in the article, no? The idea of the anagram would probably be good for some blog somewhere. --Ancheta Wis   (talk | contribs) 23:04, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Updated section from article, "Unsympathetic Police Bag Alleged Air Hero". Daily News. Los Angeles, Calif. January 14, 1943.

Quote from article: "Lieut. Comdr. Aristotle Zison Nyad," 28, self proclaimed Greek naval flying hero, yesterday went to jail as plain Aris Notaras...Notaras - who admitted his name is not "Nyad" at all but an assumed name for state effect." Koheli (talk) 13:15, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

1978 distance swim

108.209.225.0 (talk) 11:18, 11 March 2012 (UTC) The section states "strong Westerly winds and 8-foot swells that were ... pushing her off-course towards Texas." If they were pushing her towards Texas, they were Trade Winds, not Westerlies. Westerlies blow from west to east in the temperate latitudes.

Homophony of name

"Nyad" is a homophone of "naiad", but how are these pronounced in Greek? My guess, but it's only a guess, is that they are not homophones in her adoptive father's language? --Haruo (talk) 17:00, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

The Daily Mail (if we are to credit it as a source) states that her last name is derived from the Greek word for water spirits[1], the word for which is rendered in modern English as "naɪæd" (less commonly neɪæd). The Ancient Greek spelling for the water spirits did not have an upsilon (y) in it at all. My guess is that the modern Greek pronunciation of the name "Nyad" is actually much closer to either "niaːd" or "niːaːd", probably the latter, though I do not doubt that she herself now pronounces it and has heard it pronounced all her life by English speakers as "naɪæd". So I believe you are correct that they are not homophones in modern Greek, but given both that the word derives from the Ancient Greek for water spirits and that the current popular pronunciation of the name appears to be "naɪæd", we can grant its status as a homophone... Though personally I would like to see a footnote that clarifies that the homophone is to an English pronunciation for an Ancient Greek word, not to a modern Greek last name. The issue is rather confusing. KDS4444^Talk 02:47, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Personal life

Since when does hosting a radio show get categorized as "Personal Life"? --65.120.117.2 (talk) 01:06, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

 Done Thanks for pointing this out. Dkreisst (talk) 22:49, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Palfrey record

I have restored the deleted text about the Palfrey record; the annotation justifies the deletion with a reason which is not supported by the added text which requests further data (such as GPS coords and oceanographic observations during the course of the route) about Nyad's swim. It would be premature to justify the deletion until a review of the data has occurred.

Replies welcomed, of course. --Ancheta Wis   (talk | contribs) 01:13, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

I agree that, in the absence of a governing body's determination—not just an online poll—the beat-Palfrey-record text should remain. Furthermore, since the online poll is almost certainly not a WP:RS reliable source in the first place (it's actually a primary source also), I think the poll-says sentence should be deleted. I haven't been researching the developments over the weeks, but we should be looking for reliable secondary sources that objectively summarize the facts as this touchy issue continues to unfold. — RCraig09 (talk) 02:19, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

--By the definition of assisted (http://openwaterpedia.com/index.php?title=Assisted), Nyad's swim was assisted. There is photographic evidence (http://openwaterswimming.eu/files/DN-suit1.jpg, http://openwaterswimming.eu/files/DN-suit2.jpg) of Nyad being touched by her support team, which is typically grounds for disqualification under marathon swimming rules, and at minimum, supports classifying the swim as assisted. As such, Nyad's efforts should not be compared with Palfrey's as her distance record was set unassisted. Excellent analysis of all issues here: http://marathonswimmers.com/forum/discussion/606/110-miles-53-hours-questions-for-diana-nyad/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.7.49.140 (talk) 17:27, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

TV News Career in 1970s

After Nyad's swim around Manhattan in 1975, she got hired by a local New York TV station. I believe it was ABC News in NY, perhaps doing sports casts. If anyone knows the details, kindly add. To set the tone of the era, it's worth putting in context how Diana received tremendous acclaim in NY and her record breaking swim was lauded nationally by feminists not unlike the meme of the Billie Jean King victory over Bobby Riggs. (last sentence is opinion, of course) Theaternearyou (talk) 22:25, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Veracity of Nyad’s achievements and claims

https://defector.com/diana-nyads-swimming-brought-her-glory-fame-and-an-adversary-dedicated-to-exposing-her-lies?fbclid=IwAR20jDw-LQK8nzXLX4-_K3F3Hz--cW6HoKvD087ip2EbUIcwgk6uId1p1_E 2603:6010:241:EEF0:91E3:BC89:F619:74C4 (talk) 21:36, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Commenting here as a reminder to myself to read the piece and add citations of it to the article. Hemiauchenia (talk) 03:53, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Purported marriage

I'm sure you are aware that there is a rumor floating around the internet about a purported marriage to "Bart Springtime". Just wondering if there is any information on the source of the rumor or whether anything about the rumor is worth mentioning in this article.

The Cinemaholic: Dyana Nyad

-- MC 161.69.54.47 (talk) 02:58, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, but I just saw this. I don't think it's worth mentioning. I've been looking into everything Nyad for years (see "Retired marathon swimmer Daniel Slosberg" under "Embellishment Allegations") and have found no evidence of a marriage to Bart Springtime. Someone pointed out to that Mr. Springtime has the same initials as Bonnie Stoll, but I don't think that warrants mentioning either. Danslos (talk) 19:18, 20 April 2024 (UTC)