Talk:Dial Square F.C.

A fact from Dial Square F.C. appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 10 May 2021 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the breakaway club Dial Square F.C. was founded under the original name of Arsenal as a protest against Stan Kroenke's ownership of the contemporary club?

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 01:34, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Dial Square F.C. was founded as a protest against Stan Kroenke's ownership of Arsenal? Source: Evening Standard
- ALT1:... that the breakaway club Dial Square F.C. uses the original football club name of Arsenal? Source: The Athletic

Reviewed: Wilson Tucker (politician)

Converted from a redirect by The C of E (talk). Self-nominated at 16:20, 20 April 2021 (UTC).[reply]

all checks out, new enough (after redirect was replaced), long enough, no obvious sign of copyvio, hook is interesting. BUT, Dial Square F.C. had already been founded as the predecessor to Arsenal F.C. so this (and the article) should really reflect that. Obviously, to a non-expert, that fact will be completely missed. This is proper nostalgia and it's a shame that it goes missing in the current name. I see ALT1 does that to an extent, but it would be best to merge those facts (in my opinion) in one single hook because the first is more interesting than the second, but the second is more important than the first if you follow me.... ?! The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:39, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That is a good point @The Rambling Man: so I have combined them in ALT3... that the breakaway club Dial Square F.C. was founded as a protest against Stan Kroenke's ownership of Arsenal, under the original name of Arsenal? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 11:35, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What about ALT3a... that the breakaway club Dial Square F.C. was founded under the original name of Arsenal as a protest against Stan Kroenke's ownership of the contemporary club? The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 11:45, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@The Rambling Man: that's fine with me. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 12:01, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

then we have an ALT3a winner! Cheers. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 12:02, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

For non-administrators who have no access: The article at Dial Square Football Club (AfD discussion) was some 3900 characters, and this is around 4600 characters. There are some sentences in the introduction that are largely the same, but they have the same things to say, like "They currently compete in the Guildford and Woking Alliance League.". Uncle G (talk) 08:21, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

MErge proposal

@GiantSnowman:, we can talk here. The reason why this one should be retained is that this one follows the required MOS under WP:FOOTY. The other article is a clear WP:PROMO piece and uses incorrect formatting so anything there should be merged into here at the correct title. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 09:51, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that 'Dial Square F.C.' is the correct name under MOS - but we cannot and should not have two articles on the same topic. The Dial Square Football Club article is older than yours. So you need to simply propose a WP:RM to move that article to Dial Square F.C.. Giant Snowman 09:58, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The concern with that is that the AFD is almost over so if I do that then everything here in this sourced version would get deleted because all those comments would have been made before the vast improvement @GiantSnowman:. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 10:03, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Improve the existing article; ping all participants at the AFD to reconsider (including me); and I'll leave a note for the reviewing admin to consider re-listing the AFD given the improvements. Giant Snowman 10:04, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Again, the concern I have is that it will have been tainted by their experience with the previous one. I think (given that the last one is clearly about to expire and get deleted anyway), it would be more prudent to either wait for that to happen which would render this whole thing moot (since there's only 1 day in it anyway) or start another one for this title. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 10:08, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]