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The Albanian word for Vampire is Dhampir (Dham = teeth and Pir = drink/suck) … In the Albanian language the verb pir/pin/pi means simultaneously to drink and to suck … (e.g. the albanians say: "mushkonja/shushunja me ka pir gjakun" = "the mosquito/leech sucked my blood"). Thus the name Dhampir means Teeth-sucker … sucking via teeth)). Dhampirs are evil nightly creatures with sharp and long teeth, very strong, quick, heavy and are mostly invisible to the eyes of the normal People. They fear the fire, the water and the daylight, but like the music. These are dead people which were angry. They get up from the grave and come at night, bite people and animals and drinks their blood. Dhampirs are very sadistic; they terrify, beat up, and rape women and/or kill people.

Only a Dhampirash (Dhampirash = the child of a Vampire father and a human mother) is capable to see the Dhampires, and knows how to fight or kill them.

He must make a circle from some burnable material and blood on the ground; afterward he lures the vampire into the circle while positioning himself in the middle of the circle, playing the fife (recorder) or whistling. Then he puts fire on the circle, so that the terrified Dhampire from the fire cannot flee, forcing the Dhampire to fight him.

Dhampirash must kill and burn the Dhampire, or new Dhampires will rise from every glow of these fires of a circle. When he has him killed and completely burnt, he must take his ashes/cinders and throw them in a river. (I told shortly and only the most important one)

Old tales from the Albanian folklore (Kosovo).

I have translated this by online translating service from German to English, and I tried to make clearer. I hope it is clear enough, for those who want to understand. Thx --User:!i!i!i!i!i! 20:15, 4 September 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.73.235.63 (talk)

I have forgotten to say that the Albanian word for the female vampires is Dhampiresha/Dhampireshe ... (e.g., Luan (m) Luanesha/e (f) = lion (m) lioness (f), or Mbret (m) Mbretresha/e (f) = king (m) queen (f) etc. --User:!i!i!i!i!i! 01:10, 5 September 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.73.235.63 (talk)

Serbian вампир/vampir, or, according to some sources, from Hungarian vámpír. The Serbian and Hungarian forms have parallels in virtually all Slavic languages. The Bosnian Lampir which was the name of the oldest recorded vampire Meho Lampir.: Bulgarian вампир (vampir)... (Wikipedia)

And what does "Lampir" mean in bosnian? ... ILYHDRAB (talk) 14:53, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Article More Fan-Fiction than Academic

This page needs to be cleaned up. Currently it's not an article about half-vampires but a collection of fans listing every time a half-vampire appeared in fiction/media. Yes, obviously it's a common them that doesn't mean it needs to be listed in every instance (certainly not where currently that section is longer than the actual information section).

Really, imagine if the format currently used for the fiction section was used for the Vampire proper article! The list would go on forever. A simple paragraph stating that it is a common theme is more than enough.

Secondly, a great deal of the information in this article is un-cited.

Most of the references to 'in popular fiction' need to be erased or cut down and the academic section of this article needs to be updated.

Remove the clean-up

Is seems cleaned-up enough for me. Reply to David Latapie 21:06, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

This article is full of utter nonsense. Where can I find this "roma folklore" that tells us about dhampirs? If there are no citable sources, the word and its origin could just be made up. --130.83.117.163 10:03, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

The solution to this entry is pretty simple. Set a time limit (I am writing this on January 3, 2006, so let's say April 1) for ANYONE to find a reference to the word "Dhampir" from before 1980. If no such entry can be found, the romanticists admit that the word was made up for "Vampire Hunter D" and word goes into the same classification as "hobbit". I like the concept; I think the entry should be here, but I am reasonably sure it is a fiction based word, and should be labelled as such. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Unclehyena (talk • contribs) .

T. P. Vukanović published a four-part article on vampires in 1957-59; it includes the only original research on dhampir beliefs that I have been able to find. (And I've looked in the obvious places, including Montague Summers's books on vampires, Were-Wolf and Vampire in Romania by Senn, Vampires of the Carpathians by Bogatyrëv, and various anthologies on Eastern European lore edited by Jan Perkowski.) Only a small part of Vukanović's article is devoted to dhampir beliefs. I've added three paragraphs under "Legends" that pretty well summarize the dhampir-relevant information in the article. Much of what it replaced apparently was based on the White Wolf universe. Maybe a writeup on World of Darkness/Kindred of the East dhampyrs would be appropriate also?TheCert 02:55, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

The Vampire Encyclopedia by Michael Bunson (ISBN 0-517-16206-7) on pages 65 & 69 attributes it as a name given by Slavonic Gypsies to the child of a vampire. Goes on to describe the basic properties of a dhampir, the believed prowess of hunting vampires, the ritual of hunting vampires and states that the last known vampire hunting cerimony performed by a dhampir as being held in 1959 in Kosovo. He doesn't have a direct cite for any of those assertions but most of the books he lists as references he used to prepare his book are prior to 1980. -- Greyed (talk) 19:04, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Added a section on Kindred of the East dhampyrs. This universe is likely the source of beliefs that dhampirs grow up emotionally disturbed, that most pregnancies of dhampirs do not come to term, etc. Since the universe is fictional, I added this section after rather than before the "False dhampirs" section, even though I strongly suspect "False dhampirs" is based chiefly or entirely on the Saga of the Noble Dead novels by Barb & J.C. Hendee. —TheCert 14:15, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

In the Fiction section, how about Connor from Angel? Darla was reserected as human when Connor was concieved, and a Vampire when he was born, and had the vampire strengths and abilities.

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i am a huge angel fan and i have to say the whole angel darla thing was a shocker! and i think that they may or may not have considered conner a dhampir. she was converted while she was pregnant and if you remember conner had a soul and correct me if i'm wrong but other then that movie "blood rayne" i havent heard of a dhampir having a soul! unless of course the human in it alowed it to have a soul,but other then that if anyone can show me were it says dahmpirs have souls please do...because i am curious to know weather or not thet do!

Actually, Darla was impregnated in "Reprise", which was after her re-siring by Drusilla. Angel and Darla did not have sex while she was human. -- Noneofyourbusiness 20:45, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

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Origin of the word

"Dhamphir" is the Roman transliteration of ذمثير, the closest Arabic script (as was traditionally used in the Muslim Balkan areas) approximation of the the Serbian word "vampir", which itself derived from the original Slavonic "upir". In non-muslim comunities the dhampir male was more specifically known as łampijerowić, literally meaning "vampire's son".

I absolutely fail to see the logic of this. Do we have to assume that Serbian gypsies learned the word for "vampire" by reading a document about Serbian folk belief written in the Arabic script, so they didn't know how it was pronounced? --91.148.159.4 21:13, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Dont get confused friend. Dhamphir has a totally Arabic phonology not a slavonic one, Vampir on the other hand has a totally slavonic phonology not an Arabic one. If we don't include the phonology we might as well write another article under a different name. However, it is highly dubious that a foreign word like this should even have an article of its own in English according to Wikipedia naming conventions. If it is about half-vampires, then the English article should be entitles Half-vampires (folklore) and Dhamphir should appear as one of the many words for such in different languages.82.6.114.172 11:59, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

You still haven't cited a source, and I don't find your linguistic considerations convincing. "dh" (as a voiced aspirated stop consonant) sounds like Sanskrit (thus, possibly, Romani); "dh" as a voiced dental fricative could well be (Kosovo) Albanian; both explanations seem more reasonable than Kosovo gypsies using Arabic phonology. And you still haven't explained how my edits are POV or unsourced, as you stated on my talk page. As for the title, the term dhampir is the one that has been borrowed and popularized in English and is used in vampire fiction, so it seems reasonable to use it as title. --91.148.159.4 12:37, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm taking no answer as consent and reverting to my version.--91.148.159.4 23:42, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Well I always thought that the origin of the word may be Albanian because of the word "Dham(b)" which in Albanian means "Teeth" and the word "Pir" which in means to drink ( this is in slavic languages too, the verb "Piti") hence the word "the creature that drinks blood with it's teeth". It's only a suggestion. 82.114.66.150 (talk) 09:56, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

■ DHËMB  [ðɛmb] [engl. "tooth"]

■ alternative: (Gheg) DHAM, DHIM, DHEM

■ Etymology: ▪ From Proto-Albanian *δemb- ▪ from Proto-Indo-European *ǵembh- [engl. "to bite"] ▪ Sanskrit जम्भति "jambhati" [engl. "to snap at"] ▪Lithuanian "žembiù" ("to cut")

■ Please note also: ▪ alb. "THUMBoj" (note the θumb-) [engl. "bite"] ▪ alb. "THUMBë" [engl. "wisecrack"] ▪ alb. "DHEMBje" [engl. "pain/ache"]

■ The [ð] is a clear sign that the word "DHampir" has clearly no "slavic" origin.

Despite the fact that a lot children mispronounce the "DH" as "V"/"U"/"L" - till they learn how to pronounce it correctly. DHampir > Vampir > Lampir > Upir I have a bosnian aunty. She speaks pefectly fine albanian. But I know for a fact that most South-Slavs find it hard to pronounce "dh". My aunty never said "DHia" (goat); but "Delme". Not "THike" (knife); but "brisk".

"Dhampiraj" is also a very common albanian name. "DHAM|PIR|AJ" "TOOTH|DRIKER|HE" (literally) menaning: "descendants of the Toothdrinker".

Dhampir and "arabic" phonology? Where? "Vampire" in arabic is (رعب) "raeb". How is this realted to Vampire? What's the meaning/etymology of "Vampir/Dhampir" in arabic? Let me guess... nothing.

The proposed proto-Slavic forms, (btw CONSTRUCTED "words") like *ǫpyrь / *ǫpirь are just proving the connection to the Turkic term for "witch" (Tatar "ubyr"). The albanian etymolgy is spot on. It's about blood, drinking and teeth - and not "witches". ILYHDRAB (talk) 14:50, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Please STOP restoring the dhampirs in Popular Fiction Section

Read Wiki's guidelines. The section is entirely trivia and references. The fact that it is longer than the actual article should tell you something. All that should be there is a small paragraph stating that the concept is popular in fiction. This paragraph can then list a few examples. Let me quote Wiki's rules on this matter "Mere trivia, or references unimportant to the overall point of an article, should be deleted." The respective articles of Angel, and Blade, etc. themselves should list and link to this article, not the other way around. The Wiki tag informing people to do so has been up for a while and ignored. No one has cleaned up the article or moved the appropriate references.

This is not the place for every single fan of a series to list that their show or work included a dhampir. This is an article to explain what the concept of a dhampir is and give a BRIEF history.

Really, why don't people just go to the vampire, or werewolf article and list every single instance of one in fiction?!?!?! It's just as idiotic to do so here. Obviously, the concept is popular in fiction.

STOP restoring this section.

Main article: List of fictional dhampirs

Instead of adding to the Dhampirs in Ficition section....

I see people are already adding to the short paragraph, rather then letting it get out of hand like it was previously, I suggest someone make a new page similar to the List of fictional vampires article but for dhampirs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.190.34.219 (talk) 22:33, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Main article: List of fictional dhampirs

Important

Okay a List of Fictional Dhampirs article has been created:

Main article: List of fictional dhampirs

Please, expand the list instead of adding to the fiction section of the main article.

Only add to the actual Dhampir article fiction section if your example is a significant work (i.e. first of it's kind, or revolutionized how dhampirs were presented in fiction afterwards, or similar situations. This does not mean extreme popularity!!!)

Look to the In Modern Fiction section of the Vampire article as a guide to what the Dhampirs in Fiction section should ultimately be expanded into.

Thank You. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Flygongengar (talk • contribs) 23:02, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

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There were also tales of more "normal" appearance variations on those who could not only seem quite human, but attractive. Often they appeared very pale and stood tall and thin, with a highly noticeable or robust skeletal structure or black beneath their eyes, features common with the dead or dying. Some writings also claimed that they were identifiable by their slouching, bow-legged or pigeon-toed stance or by traits such as fascinations with the macabre or mystical and by having abnormal fighting prowess or reaction speed, possibly stemming from the unnatural and ofttimes mystical strength and power associated with their vampire fathers.

No source is cited. I wrote much of the other material and have cited mine; these claims run counter to what I've read about folklore, but seem suspiciously similar to popular fiction portrayals (except for the "bow-legged" part and possibly the "robust skeletal structure" part, which sound like admixtures of authentic material). Certainly, "fascination with the macabre or mystical" is not a folkloric concept, although it may be a modern sceptic's description of the Sabbatarians' characterstics.--91.148.159.4 (talk) 18:49, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Trivia: Dhampiraj

Trivia: Dhampiraj (i.e. of the dhampir, son of dhampir) is also an Albanian surname, appearing in police reports. Guildenrich 13:49, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Moved from Article sub section Origins

In Albanian folklore, the dhampir is the son of the karkanxholl or the lugat. If the karkanxholl sleeps with his wife, and she is impregnated with a child, the offspring is called dhampir and has the unique ability to discern the karkanxholl; from this derives the expression the dhampir knows the lugat. The lugat cannot be seen, he can only be killed by the dhampir, who himself is usually the son of a lugat. In different regions, animals can be revenants as lugats; also, living people during their sleep.

There are no sources for this material, nor does much of it appear to make sense the only information I could really find was here [1]

Sorry if I've removed this incorrectly but as no sources were added and it did not add to the article I removed it.

Amanda138a (talk) 01:52, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Seriously?

I guess it's impossible to fix this article, looking at its history, but the non-English sources and books cited are the sort of things you pick up at the tarot card store, and some of them don't appear to exist. Just thought people might want to know. ComicsAreJustAllRight (talk) 04:48, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Upir?! Witch please!

■ DHËMB  [ðɛmb] [engl. "tooth"]

■ alternative: (Gheg) DHAM, DHIM, DHEM

■ Etymology: ▪ From Proto-Albanian *δemb- ▪ from Proto-Indo-European *ǵembh- [engl. "to bite"] ▪ Sanskrit जम्भति "jambhati" [engl. "to snap at"] ▪Lithuanian "žembiù" ("to cut")

■ Please note also: ▪ alb. "THUMBoj" (note the θumb-) [engl. "bite"] ▪ alb. "THUMBë" [engl. "wisecrack"] ▪ alb. "DHEMBje" [engl. "pain/ache"]

■ The [ð] is a clear sign that the word "DHampir" has clearly no "slavic" origin.

Despite the fact that a lot children mispronounce the "DH" as "V"/"U"/"L" - till they learn how to pronounce it correctly. DHampir > Vampir > Lampir > Upir I have a bosnian aunty. She speaks pefectly fine albanian. But I know for a fact that most South-Slavs find it hard to pronounce "dh". My aunty never said "DHia" (goat); but "Delme". Not "THike" (knife); but "brisk".

"Dhampiraj" is also a very common albanian name. "DHAM|PIR|AJ" "TOOTH|DRIKER|HE" (literally) menaning: "descendants of the Toothdrinker".

Dhampir and "arabic" phonology? Where? "Vampire" in arabic is (رعب) "raeb". How is this realted to Vampire? What's the meaning/etymology of "Vampir/Dhampir" in arabic? Let me guess... nothing.

The proposed proto-Slavic forms, (btw CONSTRUCTED "words") like *ǫpyrь / *ǫpirь are just proving the connection to the Turkic term for "witch" (Tatar "ubyr"). The albanian etymolgy is spot on. It's about blood, drinking and teeth - and not "witches". ILYHDRAB (talk) 15:01, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

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Etymology problems

I had to restore an earlier version of the etymology because here someone changed the sentence without removing the sources that supported a Serbian origin (more on that later). The only thing that was changed in terms of references was the addition of a wordpress source, which is not WP:RS. The wordpress source was later removed, so the sentence wasn't even supported by its any of the remaining sources anymore and had to be rolled back. That being said, and despite many citations indeed crediting "vampire" with coming from Serbian (or Serbo-Croatian), I find the "demi-vampire" etymology a bit suspect and don't think it's actually mentioned in the provided sources. According to the Journal of Slavic Linguistics (Volume 13, Issue 2, p.266), a child by a vampire and a human was called vampir (male) or vampiresa (female) by the Orthodox and dhampir (male) or dhampiresa (female) by Muslims. That would explain the connection with Albanian and even some attributions to Turkish, both of them being predominantly spoken by Muslims. If anyone finds reliable sources—preferably published in journals on linguistics or Slavic studies—that can definitively establish an etymology, feel free to rewrite the section. Prinsgezinde (talk) 15:04, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Serbs don't even have the DH sound!

The dh sound is Albanian and no one else in the region can even pronounce it. DH in Albanian is like TH sound in the word 'THere'. When Serbs try to make that sound they substitute it with D or V. The argument in Etymology section is like saying the English words Thank You are loanwords from original Serbian words Fenk You. Agroni (talk) 03:33, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

At least one unsubstantiated claim regarding powers.

Hi, I'm a passerby who came to this page looking for a quick rundown on Dhampirs for something I'm working on -- the claim that the blood of Dhampirs is acidic to vampires and can melt them seems... completely unsubstantiated? It has a source attached, but the link is broken; I went on the Wayback Machine and managed to find the site but the claim about acidic blood isn't on the page. Further, I was unable to find a single other source that indicated this trait anywhere. Not even in D&D descriptions, and not in any folklore-centric info pages (that I've seen). I haven't a clue where on Earth this claim came from. Can anyone offer insight? 98.235.204.23 (talk) 20:05, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

I do not have the time to see in the article's editing history who added the claim. The source next to the claim was a website with no academic peer-review process, hence unreliable. I removed the claim together with the source. Ktrimi991 (talk) 20:22, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. I wasn’t sure if it was just me not seeing it or something. 2601:986:8080:2190:78E2:D860:36FB:94B3 (talk) 20:43, 12 July 2023 (UTC)