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Hello, I am going to change this article from Somaliland to Somalia, this is due to the place currently being controlled by the Puntland autonomous state which is part of the larger Somalia.

Dhahar is not controlled by Somaliland so having Somaliland in this article is not neccesary

Evidence number 1:

Minister of Defnece of Puntland state going to Dhahar on november 2017 [1]. That is a member of the Puntland government visiting Dhahar and greeted by the locals waving the Puntland flag, now if this town was part of Somaliland this visit would not have been possible

Evidence numbre 2:

According to sources from Somaliland themselves, Dhahar was one of the towns that did not vote in 2017 Somaliland Elections [2], this source is from a Somaliland based website and they reported on the villages regions and towns that did not vote in their elections, and as you can see Dhahar is one of them. All the places that Did vote means Somaliland are present in those regions, but all the places that did not vote means Somaliland are not involved in those places and as the source shows dhahar did not vote[3]. This is evidence as well as evidence number 1, that Somaliland are not in control of dhahar.

For these reasons i will change this article from Somaliland to Somalia. If anyone is willing to speak about it im willing to hear. CabuuwaaqWanaag (talk) 20:23, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Dhahar it's not controlled by somaliland, so, it's somalia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 102.220.40.250 (talk) 18:35, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Disruptive editing

@Shirshore: Please stop your disruptive editing and your removal of cited sources, among them VOA Somali and Somaliland Standard. You have previously been blocked for two weeks for this. Dabaqabad (talk) 18:00, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dabaqabad, I was not blocked for two weeks. Maybe you've mistaken me with another user? The edits are constructive, please do not revert them. I have not removed the citation for VOA Somali! I agree its a reliable source, thus I merely corrected the text to reflect the citation. However, Somaliland Standard is unverified blog, it can't be used on Wikipedia.Shirshore (talk) 18:09, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Somaliland Standard is a well known online newspaper, and not an unverified blog as you claim. Just because a source doesn't cater to your POV doesn't mean it is unverified. Please stop your disruptive editing or else you might be blocked once again like last time. You were blocked like last time when you were blocked for 72 hours. Dabaqabad (talk) 18:11, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dabaqabad, You don't have to threaten me with blocks, just use reliable sources for your edits per Wikipedia rules and I will not revert your edits, its that simple. These blogs you are citing are not reliable! Please do not revert the edits again. As I have previously explained, use reliable news sources, academic publications or reports from trust organisations. BBC Somali, VOA Somali, and such are reliable. These other blogs you're citing such Haatuf, Somaliland Standard are not reliable (If you know them, I don't!), hence the burden of proof is on you to substantiate your claim. Thanks, Shirshore (talk) 18:22, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Somaliland Standard is a reliable source and one of the main online newspapers in the region, same with Haatuf which was actually mentioned in a BBC article ([4]) and is one of the main daily newspapers in Somaliland along with Jamhuuriya. Just because they don't fit your POV doesn't mean that they're all of a sudden "unreliable blogs". If you don't know them as you claim, then how come you are dismissing them as unreliable?

I am not threatening you in any way, just mentioning your previous history. I advise you to stop your edit warring, removal of cited content and sources, and your disruptive edits. It's really that simple. Dabaqabad (talk) 18:29, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Shirshore: You have now violated the 3RR rule. Self revert or else you may be reported. Dabaqabad (talk) 18:41, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dabaqabad, These publications you're citing are not reliable, not because they don't fit "my POV", but because they are unverified web blogs that are edited by unknown individuals, if you allow such content on Wikipedia you will open a Pandora box. If I had a POV here there are thousands like these which I can cite from if there was an agenda. Hence, why I don't - I only use reliable and unbiased sources, BBC, VOA, Al jazeera, CNN etc. You should do the same, it's that SIMPLE. If I revert your edits then I would happily admit I'd be in the wrong. Shirshore (talk) 18:58, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

* If there is a dispute between you as to whether particular sources are reliable in context, the Reliable sources noticeboard is a useful resource to gain NPOV community input on this. Also, please refrain from using caps to emphasise what you are saying Shirshore as you have done with the word 'simple', it is sometimes interpreted as a way of shouting in text, and in the context you have used it may be an indication that you have article ownership issues. Also, you have said that certain sources Dabaqabad has used are not reliable and then you say that you don't know them. The fact that you don't know a source is not evidence that it is unreliable, again the attitude you show here may indicate article ownership issues on your part. Amirah talk 17:04, 15 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

June 21

@AmirahBreen, Please revert your last edit. The citation you used is not relevant for this article on Dhahar town in Sanaag, it concerns incidents that transpired in Mogadishu. thanks, Shirshore (talk) 17:16, 15 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have made other edits since, but I think you are referring to [5] as it involved adding a new citation. I am not sure why you use the title 'June 21' as it refers to an incident in March 21. The article does mention Dahar and the information I drew from the article is specifically about an incident which occurred in Dahar, Sanaag, so please explain to me why it is not relevant to this article about Dahar, in your opinion.Amirah talk 18:00, 15 June 2021

@AmirahBreen, my mistake, you're right.Shirshore (talk) 21:35, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No worries. Amirah talk 23:00, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dabaqabad, did we not agree not to edit these articles till we reach consensus and engage on the talk page before we make edits? I will revert your last edit till this is achieved. Although, both entities exert nominal control, we have not agreed on the format of the article so to reflect the influence of both entities. Shirshore (talk) 15:21, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Check your talk page @Shirshore:, it was an example edit that I wanted to show you Dabaqabad (talk) 16:49, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]