Talk:Dhadhor

Sourcing

The only citation this article ever had has been deemed unreliable. PROD was rejected in 2011 on the basis of that citation. Leaving aside the current edit warring, can any acceptable source be found for any content on this topic or should we consider AfD?: Noyster (talk), 12:15, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

I'll take another stab at sourcing it but I'm not hopeful. The thing has been on my watchlist for ages and the name is among those on my notepad of things to look out for while researching other Indian communities. - Sitush (talk) 09:58, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

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Dhadhor are a subcaste of the Yadav caste, who are mainly found in the eastern states of Uttar Pradesh,Haryana and Bihar in India. Members were traditionally farmer and larger land owning caste in Utter Pradresh,Haryana and Bihar.Dadhor yadav can easliy identify by thier Strong physique and well built body structure.Most of people are of Wheatish skin tone,They are mostly reside on bank of Sai,Gomti and Gange river.In Indian history, particularly with reference to the Vedic Period, the Yadavs had a glorious past and Yadavs were known for their bravery and diplomatic wisdom. Dhadhor Yadava are said to be "naturally" predisposed to fight.In 300 BC Yadav(ahirs) refused to accept brahmanism they were diplomaticlly given the second place among kshatriyas and so brahmans favored those aryan kshatriyas who accepted their hegemony and allowed them to play a role in the politics to rule the kingdoms i.e. brahmanical system in society.Ahirs were later renounced as shudras by brahmans,shudras varna was developed by brahmins to punish tyrannical kshatriyas — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.67.203.140 (talk) 14:40, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

And your reliable source for this is? - Sitush (talk) 09:57, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

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why showing the Dhadhor caste as buffelo breeder..if you don't know about yadav caste ..in that particlualy Dhadhor then why shoudld you inputted wrong information on Wiki..please provvide concerte infomation rather inputting Garbaze comments.if you continue like this then we will filled case in Highcourt for defamation of caste. 192.193.116.142 (talk) 08:29, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Please read WP:NLT. If you believe that the information contained in this article is incorrect in some way then please provide some reliable sources so that it can be fixed. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 09:56, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

U CAN ERASE EDIT BUT U CANT ERASE HERITAGE AND HISTORY

Don't Change the Edit because u are jealous From Dhadhors and your father did nothing so you want to rob our heritage History Teller historian (talk) 11:41, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi Protect this page

Plz semi Protect this page because some people erase all things sometime History Teller historian (talk) 11:42, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

"Inferior (lowly) caste"

There has been significant churn in this article regarding the description of the Dhador people as an "inferior (lowly)" caste. This terminology is cited to books published in the 19th century. Are terms like this still relevant in the 21st century? Can we not find a more relevant (i.e. modern) source to define this caste? — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiDan61 (talk • contribs) 08:47, November 28, 2023 (UTC)

@WikiDan61: You are absolutely right although the problems with the current version go even deeper than that (see my comment here). I have therefore deep reverted the article to this June 20, 2018 version last edited by Sitush, which at least has a short verifiable statement, though a non-ideal source.

IMO only the following sources from the version I reverted are likely to be reliable/relevant. I haven't tried to look up these works yet but if somebody has easy access to them, they may be worth checking out.

• Coccari, Diane Marjorie (1986). The Bir Babas of Banaras: An Analysis of a Folk Deity in North Indian Hinduism. University of Wisconsin--Madison.
• Meena, Madan (2021). "Rulers, Criminals and Denotified Tribe: A Historical Journey of the Meenas". In Behera, Maguni Charan (ed.). Tribe-British Relations in India: Revisiting Text, Perspective and Approach. Singapore: Springer. pp. 275–290. doi:10.1007/978-981-16-3424-6_17. ISBN 978-981-16-3424-6.

Abecedare (talk) 10:37, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Meena 2021 is TWL-accessible, and does not contain the string "Dhadhor", although it does (p 276) mention an 1128 CE conspiracy to overthrow involving a dhadhi, glossed as "bard". The source footnotes that the version used is an oral history recorded by the author, and that it has mentions in manuscripts and Victorian imperialist literature. Folly Mox (talk) 12:36, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank Folly Mox. The previous version of this wikipedia article had cited Meena (2021) for the claim There is also a theory that they [the dhadhors] are descendants of Vijaypal who settled in Dhundhar region along with all the Yaduvanshis after the Muslim invader. but, at least on my speed-read of the Meena chapter, I didn't find any support for such a statement. The chapter mentions Dhundhar (also spelled Dhundar) on page 277 but nothing linking it to the subject of this article afaict. Another dead end? Abecedare (talk) 13:38, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Most academic publishers don't index full text, but I got no matches for search string "dhadhor" at OUP, CUP, Springer, or T & F. Alternate spellings are always a possibility, especially for older sources, but we may have to search for a topic more general to track down any modern information. I stalk Bishonen's usertalk and have no subject area expertise. Folly Mox (talk) 16:15, 12 June 2024 (UTC)