Talk:Detainment (film)

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11-FEB-2019

Part of an edit requested by an editor with a conflict of interest has been implemented. [See below]

This page is currently quite biased in what details it includes. It says very little except a one-sided description of the controversy around the film. (Positive information, such as the awards it has won (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6813264/awards?ref_=tt_ql_op_1) and its critical acclaim (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6813264/externalreviews?ref_=ttawd_sa_4) are not included.)

So I request an addition about the defense to the controversy (proposed text to be added at the end of the 'Controversy' section):

Malcolm Stevens, who oversaw the detention of the killers (as the former Home Secretary’s professional adviser responsible for children who committed ‘grave crimes’), defended the making of the film, saying that it raised questions regarding the treatment of young offenders “which successive governments have striven to avoid”, and “That it has fallen to film-makers rather than government to illuminate such dark subjects is no reason to criticise them”. ^[1]

David James Smith, journalist and author of ‘The Sleep of Reason: The James Bulger Case’, said “There is a role for responsible media in seeking to explore why two boys killed, just as the trial judge suggested there would be, 25 years ago.” He called Detainment “an accurate film with an honest purpose”. ^[2]

I could cite others, such as Irish Times columnist Fintan O'Toole, who called the film “profoundly moral” (https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-jamie-bulger-film-a-serious-and-moral-piece-of-work-1.3781841#.XFmARc9MmjE.twitter), Donal Lynch's article (in the Irish Independent) ending with “And for that he should not apologise” (https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/irish-oscar-contender-attacked-over-movie-about-child-killers-37705856.html), or these articles:

- 'Detainment review: a plea for wiser judgement' (https://www.bfi.org.uk/news-opinion/sight-sound-magazine/reviews-recommendations/bytes/detainment-vincent-lambe-short-dramatisation-jamie-bulger-murder-recreation-plea-wiser-judgement);

- 'Consulting James Bulger’s family ahead of new film Detainment would have been tactful, but not compulsory' (https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/film/2019/01/consulting-james-bulger-s-family-ahead-new-film-detainment-would-have-been)

(and others), but I've chosen those two because of their knowledge of the case - the two most important people who defended the making of the film.

(Declaration of connection: I'm the director's brother.)

JohnBLambe (talk) 14:05, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "When children kill a child: the Bulger case and an Oscar-nominated film". openDemocracy. Retrieved 5 February 2019.
^ @davidjamessmit5 (9 Jan 2019). "Troubling to see @vincentlambe1 being threatened and abused over his Bulger case short film #Detainment" (Tweet) – via Twitter.

Reply 11-FEB-2019

Below you will see where proposals from your request have been quoted with reviewer decisions and feedback inserted underneath, either accepting, declining or otherwise commenting upon your proposal(s). Please read the enclosed notes within the proposal review section below for information on each request. Spintendo 23:02, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal review 11-FEB-2019

Malcolm Stevens, who oversaw the detention of the killers (as the former Home Secretary's professional adviser responsible for children who committed 'grave crimes') defended the making of the film, saying that it raised questions regarding the treatment of young offenders "which successive governments have striven to avoid", ~~and "That it has fallen to film-makers rather than government to illuminate such dark subjects is no reason to criticise them".~~
Approved.^{[note 1]}

David James Smith, journalist and author of 'The Sleep of Reason: The James Bulger Case', said “There is a role for responsible media in seeking to explore why two boys killed, just as the trial judge suggested there would be, 25 years ago.' He called Detainment 'an accurate film with an honest purpose'.
Clarification needed.^{[note 2]}

I could cite others, such as Irish Times columnist Fintan O'Toole, who called the film "profoundly moral"
Declined.^{[note 3]}

Donal Lynch's article (in the Irish Independent) ending with "And for that he should not apologise"
Declined.^{[note 4]}

'Detainment review: a plea for wiser judgement'
Declined.^{[note 5]}

'Consulting James Bulger’s family ahead of new film Detainment would have been tactful, but not compulsory'
Declined.^{[note 6]}

(and others)
Declined.^{[note 7]}

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^ As the subject making the statements is directly connected to the subjects of the film (through their former position as an adviser to the HS) their comments are seen as relevant, as shown in openDemocracy's choice to publish their statements as an editorial. Please note that the stricken text was not added, and the adviser's opinion that successive governments had avoided the issue was clarified as his opinion.

^ As the subject of this quote is not directly related to the subjects of the film, please provide a reference from a reliable, secondary source other than the subject's Tweet.

^ This part of the edit request proposal has been declined because it has not been worded in the manner in which it is to be added verbatim (i.e., "I could cite others").

^ Ibid.

^ This part of the edit request proposal was declined because the claim statement has not been worded in a form approriate for inclusion in the article. See WP:SUBSTANTIATE.

^ Ibid.

^ "And others" is not an actionable request.

[1] "When children kill a child: the Bulger case and an Oscar-nominated film". openDemocracy. Retrieved 5 February 2019.

[2] @davidjamessmit5 (9 Jan 2019). "Troubling to see @vincentlambe1 being threatened and abused over his Bulger case short film #Detainment" (Tweet) – via Twitter.

[3] As the subject making the statements is directly connected to the subjects of the film (through their former position as an adviser to the HS) their comments are seen as relevant, as shown in openDemocracy's choice to publish their statements as an editorial. Please note that the stricken text was not added, and the adviser's opinion that successive governments had avoided the issue was clarified as his opinion.

[4] As the subject of this quote is not directly related to the subjects of the film, please provide a reference from a reliable, secondary source other than the subject's Tweet.

[5] This part of the edit request proposal has been declined because it has not been worded in the manner in which it is to be added verbatim (i.e., "I could cite others").

[6] Ibid.

[7] This part of the edit request proposal was declined because the claim statement has not been worded in a form approriate for inclusion in the article. See WP:SUBSTANTIATE.

[8] Ibid.

[9] "And others" is not an actionable request.

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