Talk:Destination (game)

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A fact from Destination (game) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 28 April 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the publisher of the board game Destination faced financial trouble when a Harry Potter film was delayed?

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by BorgQueen (talk) 00:41, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Destination, a bestselling taxi-based British board game, entered administration after the film release of Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince was delayed by eight months? Source: https://www.theguardian.com/small-business-network/2012/oct/29/bouncing-back-from-bankruptcy, https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/mbe-for-dragons-den-star-shame-her-business-has-just-gone-under-1704128.html
- Reviewed: exempt

5x expanded by MB190417 (talk). Self-nominated at 12:21, 21 February 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Destination (game); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

Comment. It wasn't the game that entered administration, rather, it was the publisher RTL Games that did so. Mind matrix 16:34, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@MB190417: Article is new enough. Not quite long enough though - the before version is 1458 chars, and it's currently around 4,230 (2.9x expansion, 7290 is the target). Possible additions: the Dragon's Den story, and the irony of her success after, might be expandable and interesting; a Reception section might be useful if possible; perhaps briefly describe some elements of gameplay variations in the most notable editions. Otherwise well written (I did small copyedits) and cited - the Amazon links seem fine, though WP:RSPAMAZON suggests just citing the product itself. No QPQ needed; first nomination. As implied above, new suggestions for hooks are welcome. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 03:58, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Hameltion, thank you so much for your review and helpful copyedits to the article. I'm very sorry not to have checked the expansion rate: that was silly of me; I had assumed I had easily expanded by 5x! The article should now meet eligibility at 7362 B (diff from your review), though further copyediting may be welcomed.

I've added further information across the history section, as well as a new paragraph on gameplay variations as you suggested. Unfortunately, I couldn't find much by way of a section on Reception, with surprisingly few comments in local newspapers that might have been expected to report on the launches of local editions (there were probably more sources 10 years ago when new versions of the game were being released, so I feel like we are constrained to a smaller pool!).

I wasn't sure how to interpret WP:RSPAMAZON for a board game, seeing as the guidance seems to have in mind printed sources such as books rather than products; for disclosure, I've cited Amazon as a source in the new paragraph on gameplay variations, specifically using information from the image of the gameplay manual for Destination Hogwarts. But I think this is still in-keeping with the spirit of WP:RSPAMAZON.

Once again, thank you so much for your review and copyedits, and I am sorry not to have been careful to check the expansion rate! _MB190417_ (talk)

@MB190417: No worries. Size approx. 7350+ now, the added material all looks good.

Last thing basically is to propose one or more alternative hooks for me to sign off on. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 23:46, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Great, thanks! Here are a few:

ALT1: ... that the publisher of Destination, a bestselling taxi-based board game, entered administration after the film release of Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince was delayed by eight months?
ALT2: ... that Destination became Hamleys' bestselling board game three months after its investment pitch was rejected on television?
ALT3: ... that a BBC investigation on bank irresponsibility changed the fate of Destination, a bestselling taxi-inspired board game? _MB190417_ (talk) 01:56, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. These are better, but want something snappier (either revision or new). Also, in ALT1 it's not clear that the delay caused the legal action, and "administration" is not familiar in the US; ALT2 is smart but it seems the episode aired after the game came out, so maybe reword but keep the meaning; and ALT3 is fairly vague ("changed the fate"). Hameltion (talk | contribs) 02:12, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@MB190417 and Hameltion: pinging as a reminder – can a new hook be agreed on within a week? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 20:56, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

My deepest apologies, Hameltion; I'm afraid I missed your updates and have been away-from-desk for a while. Thank you for your kind reply and continued help; here are some revised hooks:

ALT4a: ... that the publisher of Destination board games faced financial collapse after the film release of Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince was delayed?
ALT4b: ... that Destination board games faced financial trouble after a Harry Potter film was delayed?
ALT5: ...that despite being rejected on a TV investment show, Destination board games became a Hamleys bestseller? _MB190417_ (talk) 17:28, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks MB. Should be OK to go with

either of ALT4b or ALT5a (slight revisions by me):

ALT4b: ... that the publisher of the board game Destination faced financial trouble when a Harry Potter film was delayed?
ALT5a: ... that despite being rejected on a television investment show, Destination board games became a Hamleys bestseller?

Hameltion (talk | contribs) 18:47, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]