Talk:Desloge family

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The article is the condensed version of thoroughly vetted 900 page research monograph supported by materials at valid historical societies, containing over 230 bibliographic sources, is under ISBN, with copyright and Library of Congress application. Additional sources are included.

If the above is correct, then this article is a massive copyright violation under WP:COPYVIO. Plazak (talk) 20:15, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

This article is not a copyright violation as the author of the article is the holder of any governing copyright for the Desloge Family in America monograph and has freely released the article

Wikidesloge (talk) 18:04, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Citations in terrible shape

In this article, there is perhaps not a single citation to a published source that is complete to Wikipedia standards. First, they all appear to lack page numbers. A citation to a 900 page work, lacking a specifiic page number, is simply not a verifiable citation. Many others lack information on dates and publishers. The citation "State of New Hampshire, Town of Ringe" (that's the complete citation!) is far from being a verifiable ref. Someone is obviously putting a lot of work into this article, but please take care to list complete and verifiable citations. Plazak (talk) 19:56, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

If it is true that "they all appear to lack page numbers", how does the fact that the bibliography of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Maison_de_Guibourd is not complete to Wikipedia standards? Wikidesloge (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:31, 17 January 2012 (UTC).

Proposed move to Desloge family

Other family articles on WP are listed as "Surname family"; I propose this article is moved to "Desloge family" from its current title. poroubalous (talk) 18:50, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

This Article is desiganted "in America" to delineate this family from the vast Desloge Family in France and Canada (and to a lesser degree England. Wikidesloge (talk)

moved from article pending acceptable citations

This needs actual citations, not just "Jay Gitlin said this at some point":

Desloge is author of reference, historical & genealogy of the History of the Desloge Family in America. His history of the French on the new American frontier has been coined by Yale University Director of French American Studies Jay Gitlin as "one of the most serious and major contributions on the subject…a foundation of work for thousands of academics and historians."

Similarly, none of the references in the following text quite back up its statements:

Christopher Desloge (author, historian - see below) founded the Foundation for Commercial Philanthropy and Grace Havens to fund projects to serve the poor. Desloge has founded a variety of non-profit organizations including the St. Louis Non Profit Organization President's Council, the Foundation for Commercial Philanthropy, . and Grace Havens, . the Desloge Foundation. Desloge also has served the Society of St. Vincent de Paul National Council as national disaster and grant coordinator for Hurricane Katrina.. Mr. Desloge also served as the Chairman of Disaster Operations for the American Red Cross St. Louis Bi-State Chapter, and has served of the boards of directors of St. Louis Psychoanalytic Institute, Center for Head Injury Services, and served as a founding board member of the International Hildreth Meiere Association.

I've moved these sentences from the article pending more specific citations. PRRfan (talk) 02:46, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

References

This is starting to resemble a Facebook page

The section on the family in the 2000s is descending into non-notable trivia. This sort of thing is best handled on a Facebook page rather than a Wikipedia article. Plazak (talk) 21:40, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

Genealogy

Family trees are generally proscribed on Wikipedia articles by WP:NOTGENEALOGY, though I've argued elsewhere that they can be appropriate when most or even many of the descendants are notable. That is not established here, and it remains generally unsourced. I'm moving it here pending sourcing and the establishment of notability.

Descendants of Firmin René Desloge

Firmin René Desloge (1803–1856) married Cynthian McIlvaine (1813–1875). They had twelve children.

• Francis Adolphe Desloge (1834–1884), without issue
• Lucie Mary Desloge (1836–1918) (m.) Jean Baptiste Francois Vallé (1828–1864)
  • Firmin Baptiste Valle (1858–1859)
  • Mary Valle (1859–1940) (m.) Robert Edward Mather Bain (1858–1932)
    • Marie Zoe Bain (1881-) (m.) Charles Bernard Raoul Fitz-William (1881-)
    • George Vallee Bain (1886–1957) (m.) Clara Louise Gregg (1891-1967)
    • Catherine Louise Bain (1888–1957) (m.) Elliott Chalmers Bennett (1878–1950)
    • Marguerite Desloge Bain (1890–1974) (m.) Charles Henry Adams (1889–1963)
    • Lucie Clara Bain (1893–1926) (m.) John Bernard Furstenberg (1888–1967)
      • Barbara Mary Furstenberg (1915–1942) (m.) John McDowell Burrows (1912–1988)
      • Lucie Anne Furstenberg (1916–2005) (m.) Bernard Joseph Huger (1909–1977)
        • Lucie Clara Huger (1943–1969) (m.) Carl James Reis (1939–2004)
      • John Bernard Furstenberg II (1919–1943) (m.) Helen Marie Zook (1920–1993)
• Charles Rozier Desloge (1838–1851), without issue
• Josephine Desloge (1839–1901) (m.) Louis Philippe Fusz (1839–1924)
• Jane Desloge (1841–1906) (m.) William W. Pullis (1842–1880)
• Firmin V. Desloge (1843–1929) (m.) Lydia Holden Davis (1855–1932)
  • Firmin V. Desloge III (1878–1952) (m.) Rebecca Plummer (1884–1953)
    • Firmin Joseph Desloge (1908–1908)
    • Firmin Vincent Desloge IV. (1909–1970) (m.) Durie Kerr Malcolm (1916–2008)
      • Durie Desloge (1942–2014) (m.) Roderic Ian Bullough (1935–2021)
    • William Livingston Desloge (1912–1998) (m.) Loriel Martins Johnson (1915–2000)
      • William "Bill" Livingston Desloge Jr. (1940–2014) (m.) Margaret "Peggy" Desloge
        • Aasha Desloge (m.) Fletcher Wanless
          • Lizelle Wanless
          • Ayslin Wanless
      • David Halsey Desloge (1947–1976)
    • Theodore "Ted" Plummer Desloge (1914–2003) (m.) Frances Charlot (1917–2012)
      • Theodore Plummer Desloge Jr. (1939–2022) (m.) Linda Osterkamp
        • Michelle Charlot Desloge (born 1964)
        • Renee Desloge Nelson (1966–2014), without issue.
• Jules Desloge (1845–1925) (m.) Jane Chambers Thatcher (1851–1924)
  • Zoe Desloge (1873–1933)
  • Firmin Rene Desloge (1875–1934)
  • Marian Desloge (1877–1962) (m.) Mr. Campbell
  • Edward Landers Desloge (1880–1880)
  • George Thatcher Desloge (1880–1943), twin of Edward (m.) Madeleine Florence Stith (1888–1973)
    • Richard Conn Desloge Sr. (1913–1978) (m.) Katherine McAuliffe (1918–2014)
      • Suzanne Desloge (m.) Charles Weiss
      • James Desloge (m.) Janet
      • Ellen Desloge (m.) Richard Gray
      • Daniel Thatcher Desloge (born 1960) (m.) Christine (born 1961)
        • Raymond A. Desloge (born 1987)
        • Matthew J. Desloge (born 1991)
        • John T. Desloge (born 1994)
        • Kathleen E. Desloge (born 1999)
      • Richard "Rick" Conn Desloge Jr. (1951–2012) (m.) Nancy Solomon
        • Richard "Rick" Conn Desloge III
        • Nicholas "Nick" Desloge
    • John M. Desloge Sr. (1914–2009)
    • Madeleine Desloge (1916–2018)
    • Taylor Stith Desloge (1921–2013) (m.) Marian Franciscus Falk (1929–2019)
      • Marian Lindsay Desloge (m.) Richard "Rick" Guenther (1952–2004), without issue
      • Madeleine Desloge (m.) Dennis Kemp
      • Stephen Falk "Steve" Desloge (born 1955) (m.) Ann
      • George Taylor "Tim" Desloge (m.) Maria
      • Michael Allen Desloge (m.) Marybeth
      • Philip Chambers Desloge (m.) Carolyn
      • Judith Desloge (m.) Thomas Egan
  • Louis Francis Desloge (1885–1978)
  • Marcel Desloge (1887–1973)
• Louise Eveline Desloge (1847–1884) (m.) William Clayton Jameson (1844–1892)
• John McIlvaine Desloge (1849–1900), without issue
• Zoé Desloge (1850–1935) (m.) Seth Wallace Cobb (1838–1909)
• Sophie Desloge (1852–1911), without issue
• Clara Desloge (1853–1934) (m.) Edward Wheeler Pike (1850–1895)

PRRfan (talk) 20:21, 11 November 2024 (UTC)