Talk:Design science revolution

Needs to be broken into smaller chunks Ieashu (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:49, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

I disagree with the tone and statements made in the first paragraph. Dr. Fuller argued that the data he collected showed that there were things that Malthus did not anticipate and which contradicted the mathematical analysis of Malthus. E.g. Lower population growth in developed countries, food preservation methods such as canning, refrigeration, vacuum packing, ephemeralization (doing more with less) etc.

The reference to Malthus in the current article should be removed as the author is seeking to make statements to justify Mr. Malthus rather than define the phrase 'Design Science Revolution'.

Wikipedia Links: R. Buckminster Fuller, Design Science, World Game

References

Critical Path by R. Buckminster Fuller

Everthing I Know Video and Transcripts

R. Buckminster Fuller learned about methods of food preservation and other industrial processes that did more with less and created a chart showing that an accelerating number of planetary inhabitants would become "haves" rather than "have-nots" in the 20th century. These industrial processes were unknown to Malthus and revealed how Malthus might be proven wrong. Dr. Fuller used the term "Design Science Revolution" to designate an alternative way to deal with what could potentially become a 'bloody/warfare' type of revolution if people that were "have-nots" became impatient to become "haves".

Accelerating Acceleration by R. Buckminster Fuller

"Historically, ninety-nine per cent and more of humanity were "have-nots'" they were in dire need, and revolution was really rampant. The many would say the fewer are enjoying unfairly, and we have to get up and do something about it. When you go by fifty per cent, I saw for the first time in history, the majority begins to be "haves", rather than "have-nots." This would bring about a different way of looking at things. Those who were "haves" would probably find much more information than they ever had before, found they really couldn't enjoy that "have-ness" as long as they had awareness of the dire "have-not-ness" of the others. At any rate, this would be a critical point where, for the first time, you would not have the majority rising up to pull down the top. You might really have, then, the tendency of the majority, being on top, to pull the bottom up. This seemed to be, probably, a very new relationship."

"In 1951, I marked on my chart, the critical year would be 1970. Using my acceleration it could be somewhere between 1970 and 1975 The most accelerated point would be 1970 and the least accelerated would be 1975. This is the critical period and the curve really did get exactly there at 1970. So we crossed, we've been going through a very, very critical time right now. Because this is the point where, I say, it is now being clearly demonstrated to humanity that something is going on, if he is not so myopic and shortsighted as not to really look at such curves. I am really astonished at how little people will look at them.

"This kind of awareness that made me want to develop what I called a World Game to try to make it as quickly as possible to make it clear to all humanity what its options were, that changes are going on. There are very big things going on in nature here. I spoke to you about our all coming out of some common womb of permitted ignorance, with enough cushion of resources by which, by trial-and-error to make mistake after mistake, to learn what we're learning. And this is a very extraordinary moment, I find; suddenly there is--all around the world--literacy. This wasn't there when I was young." R.B. Fuller

http://www.bfi.org/about-bucky/resources/articles-transcripts/accelerating-acceleration

"Thus under lethal emergencies vast new magnitudes of wealth come mysteriously into effective operation. We don’t seem to be able to afford to do peacefully the logical things we say we ought to be doing to forestall warring-by producing enough to satisfy all the world needs. Under pressure we always find that we can afford to wage the wars brought about by the vital struggle of "have-nots" to share or take over the bounty of the "haves." Simply because it had seemed, theretofore, to cost too much to provide vital support of those "have-nots." The "haves" are thus forced in self-defense suddenly to articulate and realize productive wealth capabilities worth many times the amounts of monetary units they had known themselves to possess and, far more importantly, many times what it would have cost to give adequate economic support to the particular "have-nots" involved in the warring and, in fact, to all the world’s ’have-nots."

http://www.bfi.org/about-bucky/resources/books/operating-manual-spaceship-earth/chapter-6-synergy

EIK - Seession 4 Part 13

"But, the point was Thomas Malthus was the first political economist who received the vital economic statistics from all around the world, and he was able then to say, in his second book, in l8l0 he confirmed his first where he said, "Quite clearly man is reproducing himself at a geometrical rate, and producing goods to support himself only at an arithmetical rate. Therefore, quite clearly, man is designed to be a failure." Now, up to this time you had an infinite world. You might not like what is going on, but because it was an infinite world, then you had an infinite number of gods, and you had an infinite number of hopes that might come true."

"But, Thomas Malthus said, "This is all there is, there isn't any more it's a closed system, and there obviously is nowhere enough to go around." And it is a very, very different new way of looking at things."

"O.K. We find then the great masters of the water-ocean world had their great scientific servant telling them that man was quite clearly designed to be a failure. The same masters of the water-ocean world then began to take their scientists, find the scientists had microscopes could see things that the masters of the water-ocean world couldn't see; and say "Scientists, you've got a very different kind of eyes", and by this time they had found steam and they said "Oh you scientists see all kinds of things!", therefore they began to have ships going around the world with biologists and geologists amongst them Darwin, but other biologists, to find and discover resources which could be exploited around the world that would not be recognized by man with just the naked eye of the old sailor."

http://www.bfi.org/about-bucky/resources/everything-i-know/eik-session-4/eik-session-4-part-13

EIK - Session 7 Part 10

"Now, that came about, my talking about that because I was talking to you about my grand strategy and the idea about developing artifacts. I saw that there was nothing to stop the little individual from developing artifacts, and particularly if you are really going to see what some of the big problems are and one of the big problems was quite clearly I had become excited by my navy experience, and realizing that we were doing more with less and the more with less of the navy was what we called "high secret," this was the most highly classified information in the world. What you could do more with the same or more with less, when it came to contact, and I realized the more with less you could get where the little airplane, then was sinking big battle ships "It could be, I said that, "Malthus was really wrong. He didn't know that foods would be preserved." I spoke to you about that the other day. So I also, then saw, that on the there was the possibility of doing so much with so little that we might be able to take care of everybody. And the whole raison d'etre of politics themselves, war, weapons would actually be obsolete. This seemed to be something to really shoot for the little individual, because I saw that it was full of soft spots because nobody had ever really taken, what they call there is "weaponry" and I invented the word called "livingry" nobody is trying to see what would happen if we took care of "livingry," because they said there is never going to be enough to go around, so money just doesn't get spent that way it's just useless it only gets spent in this negative way."

http://www.bfi.org/about-bucky/resources/everything-i-know/eik-session-7/eik-session-7-part-10

EIK - Session 3 Part 15

"But we are in for, then, absolute revolution of humanity and it can be two kinds. If it is one to pull the top down, or the one of vengeance, that is not as probable as it used to be, it was when the majority were "have-nots." We are now where the majority are "haves." If it is one, then, to pull the top down, and it is bloody, it is all over. If it is a matter then of pulling everybody up to a higher standard of living than anybody has ever known, and doing it by DESIGN SCIENCE REVOLUTION, instead of by guns where we use the information, employ the principles, reduce them to practice, use the tools, use the technology, use the industrialization to really work for everybody then we'll survive. Unless we are spontaneously in that mood, within the next ten years, I think humanity is all through."

"And I now know, and as we go on more and more, as you stay with me, as we get to the right efficiencies which can be employed, we have the designing capability, I can say, by and large, I now know absolutely, incontrovertibly, the technique of how to take care of everybody at a higher standard of living than anybody has ever known. We'll get into much more of that. I know how, and we've been through this project here with Meddy Gable and the last seminar in Pennsylvania this year on energy, we now know exactly, it's all spelled out, the engineering is there, the resources are there, the know-how is there, completely spelled out incontrovertibly that by l985 we can have all of humanity enjoying the same energy advantage enjoyed by the United States, absolutely exclusively in 1972 the whole of humanity enjoying that advantage, while completely phasing out all fossil fuels and all atomic energy. We now know how to do it. And I now know then it is highly feasible to take care of all humanity and all of its generations to come at a higher standard of living than anywhere ever known. So I know that politics are invalid, I know that war is invalid, I know that weapons are invalid, and I know the lying is invalid. It doesn't work there is nothing out there. I can understand how it got in all of those things, but they are now through. But the question is how quickly can we get all of humanity to know this is so."

http://www.bfi.org/about-bucky/resources/everything-i-know/eik-session-3/eik-session-3-part-15

"The population explosion is a myth. As we industrialize, down goes the annual birth rate. If we survive, by 1985, the whole world will be industrialized, and, as with the United States, and as with all Europe and Russia and Japan today, the birth rate will be dwindling and the bulge in population will be recognized as accounted for exclusively by those who are living longer.

When world realization of its unlimited wealth has been established there as yet will be room for the whole of humanity to stand indoors in greater New York City, with more room for each human than at an average cocktail party.

We will oscillate progressively between social concentrations in cultural centers and in multi-deployment in greater areas of our Spaceship Earth’s as yet very ample accommodations. The same humans will increasingly converge for metaphysical intercourse and deploy for physical experiences.

Each of our four billion humans’ shares of the Spaceship Earth’s resources as yet today amount to two-hundred billion tons."

http://www.bfi.org/about-bucky/resources/books/operating-manual-spaceship-earth/chapter-8-regenerative-landscape

Here is an external link to information on Design Science Revolution

http://www.nous.org.uk/design.science.rev.html 136.159.209.23 (talk) 19:14, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

"Finally, Fuller points out that Thomas Malthus could not have forseen this technological revolution. His epochal conclusion in 1805 that population increases geometrically while its resources—ability to feed, clothe, and house itself—expand arithmetically at best, is now obsolete. Malthus did not anticipate the phenomenon of more effective performance using less resources. His declaration predates refrigeration, let alone the information and communications revolution, emphasizes Bucky, and yet humanity's social and economic institutions are still based on the assumption of fundamental scarcity. Malthusian thinking has controlled human affairs for so long that we have mistaken it for absolute truth. The only barrier to a successfully sustainable planet is ignorance, Bucky declares. Fundamental scarcity is a remnant of the dark ages." A Fuller Explanation by Amy C. Edmundson, Chapter 16, "Design Science" pages 266 through 269.

http://www.angelfire.com/mt/marksomers/138.html 136.159.209.23 (talk) 17:18, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

"Fuller hoped that by means of a design science revolution, humans would be able to dramatically improve their living standards while coming into a sustainable long-term relationship with their ecosystem context. He insisted this revolution would need to be bloodless and artifact-centered, as opposed to violently political."

http://www.grunch.net/synergetics/terms.html

"The World Game is essentially a programme for the Design Science Revolution."

http://www.nous.org.uk/WorldGame.html

"In Critical Path (p.l99) he writes that

'the success of all humanity can be accomplished only by a terrestrially comprehensive, technologically competent, design revolution. This revolution must develop artifacts where energy-use efficiency not only occasions the artifacts' spontaneous adoption by humanity, but also occasions the inadvertent, unregretted abandonment and permanent obsolescence of socially and economically undesirable viewpoints, customs and practices.'

http://www.nous.org.uk/design.science.rev.html

From GRUNCH OF GIANTS by R. Buckminster Fuller

"I hoped that Critical Path made it clear that the world data integration I initiated more than a half-century ago has kept growing into a comprehensive record of the invisible design-science revolution being achieved only by ever more performance, realized for ever less energy, weight, and time units invested per each increment of accomplished livingry functioning; and that more than a half-century ago I reduced my design-science, human-environment-augmenting structures and technologies to full-scale, physically working demonstrations of their advancement of technological advantage to economically accommodate an around-the-world pulsatively deploying and-converging, kinetic society."

"I hoped that Critical Path made it clear that lacking the accomplishment of the design-science revolution, while also undergoing the transition into a one-world amalgamation of humanity which we are now experiencing, humans would have been catalyzed only into a world-around social revolution of the same bloody historic pattern of revengeful pulling down of the advantaged few by the disadvantaged many."

"I hoped that Critical Path made it clear that the accomplished design-revolution's prototypes and developmental concepts now make possible for the first time in history a bloodless social revolution successfully elevating all humanity to a sustainable higher living-standard than ever heretofore enjoyed by anyone."

http://www.american-buddha.com/grunch.giants.2.htm 136.159.209.23 (talk) 17:18, 23 October 2010 (UTC)