Talk:Deshong Art Museum/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Rjjiii (talk · contribs) 20:59, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Source review for this version of the article: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Deshong_Art_Museum&oldid=1173834657

Reference [1] describes them as individual architects not as an architectural firm. (I'm not doubting they had a firm, just not seeing it in the source.) Also, the name is spelled "Brazer" in the source. The "Brazier" spelling is used in this contemporary newspaper article: https://newspaperarchive.com/chester-times-apr-18-1912-p-1/ And this book: https://www.google.com/books/edition/Chester/Tr4_Kx9Mf9AC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22Brazier+and+Robb%22&pg=PA17&printsec=frontcover But seems a typo.

I've updated the copy to refer to them as architects rather than an architectural firm. Changed spelling of Brazer to match ref. Dwkaminski (talk) 21:51, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Reference [2] uses almost the same language as the article:
- Wikipedia says: fireproof with exterior walls of Dover marble
- The book says: fireproof construction with the exterior walls of white Dover marble

rewrote to "It was designed to be fireproof with bronze doors and Dover marble exterior walls"

Reference [3] does verify the content.
Reference [4] does verify the content.
Reference [5] uses almost the same language as the article:
- Wikipedia says: It contained over 300 pieces of art including carved Japanese ivory figures, Chinese carved hard stone vessels and 19th century American and European paintings
- The book says: The art collection - more than 300 pieces - contains carved Japanese ivory figures, Chinese carved hard-stone vessels, and 19th-century American and European paintings.

reworte to "It contained over 300 pieces of art including 19th-century American and European paintings, Chinese carved stone jars and Japanese ivory statues"

Reference [6] uses almost the same language as the article:
- Wikipedia says: American Impressionists Edward Redfield, Robert Spencer and George Loftus Noyes.
- The book says: American impressionists Edward Redfield, Robert Spencer, and George L. Noyes.

changed to "The paintings included those from American Impressionist artists George Loftus Noyes, Edward Redfield and Robert Spencer"

Reference [7] only verifies some of the content preceding it. It does not cover the bank, the quarry, or his lack of heirs. Some of these un-sourced claims seem to come from another Wikipedia article: https://copyvios.toolforge.org/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=Deshong+Art+Museum&oldid=&use_engine=0&use_links=0&turnitin=0&action=compare&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FAlfred_O._Deshong This is a copyright violation but an easy one to mend. See: Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia

Added ref that discusses his role in the quarry and bank. Removed statement about no heirs. Added attribution in edit commentary that info was copied from Alfred O. Deshong.

Is reference [8] reliable? It appears to be a tourism website.

It is the only place I can find the $24 million current value of the donation. Your call. Dwkaminski (talk) 22:56, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That ball is entirely in your court now, as my review is concluded. When/if you renominate the article, I will have no input. Good luck, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ(talk) 23:47, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The sentence "Teenager Laurence McCall from Chester, Pennsylvania, started stealing paintings from the gallery in September 1976. strikes me as very odd. Obviously he is not a teenager today if he was alive in 1976. The sources include a contemporary news article and an interview with McCall. I notice and see others mention (on DYK) conflicting information in the sources regarding this. My advice would be to gather the best sources and limit Wikipedia's content to agreed upon information or information from the highest quality sources.

I re-wrote and added an additional NY Times reference. Dwkaminski (talk) 23:10, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Reference [15] is dead, archived here: https://web.archive.org/web/20180107064423/http://www.delcotimes.com/article/DC/20140324/NEWS/140329801 Is that the whole article? I don't see specific dates or Widener University mentioned in the archived portion.
Reference [16] only verifies some of the content preceding it. I see that Widener has the art collection, but don't see it verifying the $500,000 figure.

added Schaefer ref to support $500,000 Dwkaminski (talk) 22:39, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

removed delcotimes ref and July from article - all else is supported by Schaefer Inquirer article Dwkaminski (talk) 12:23, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I can't pass this due to issues with close paraphrasing and content not verified by the references. The copyright violation within Wikipedia is fairly easy to resolve since all articles have the same license. Post over at the Wikipedia:Teahouse if you have any issues or confusion with that. Finally regarding broad coverage, there may not be much more available but the museum was in operation for over 50 years and the only thing the article mentions during those years is when it was robbed.

You are welcome to ask questions and to renominate the article at any time. Regards, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ(talk) 20:59, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Two quick amendments:

1. I see now that you've added an attribution template to the talk page. That works. I was looking in the history and completely missed it.

2. The reference 15 content seems to come from this article: https://www.delcotimes.com/2014/09/27/deshong-commemorated-and-celebrated/

But again it is closely paraphrased or copied:
- Wikipedia: Widener University leased the building in 1979 and restored the museum.
- Daily Times: In 1979, Widener University leased the museum and restored the art gallery And from that same source:

rewrote to "The building was leased and restored by Widener University in 1979". Dwkaminski (talk) 12:31, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

- Wikipedia: The art collection and $500,000 of the trust were given to Widener University and the collection is currently displayed there.
- Daily Times: The art collection and $500,000 of the Deshong Trust was given to Widener, where the collection was housed at the university museum building.

rewrote to "$500,000 of the trust and the art collection was granted to Widener University. The art collection is currently on display at Widener University." Dwkaminski (talk) 12:36, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Rjjⁱⁱⁱ(talk) 21:25, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the thorough review. I replied to your comments above and believe I have made all the changes. I'll resubmit for GA again. Dwkaminski (talk) 12:40, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]