Talk:Der schwarze Kanal

popularity

"The programme was not popular in East Germany. As Anna Funder describes in her book, Stasiland, engineers in power stations would struggle to stop a blackout from the power surge due to East Germans switching off their sets when the programme came on."

Is there anything to back this up or is it just an Urban myth ?

Even if nobody watched the programme surely they were switching over to other channels (Even in areas where Western TV was unavailable there was always DFF2) rather than turning off en-masse ? 87.112.88.106 02:38, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

I suspect it the power surge rumour was not even a real urban myth (ie: a story that some people think is true), but rather a sardonic remark that somehow grew legs to become a legend. Power surges are caused by momentary spikes in voltage (such as from lightning or through electromagnetic induction caused by electric motors or electromagnets - notice the static on your television when somebody turns on a vacuum cleaner in the living room). They are NOT caused by a sudden reduction or increase in demand for voltage. Kransky 14:00, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Surely though a sudden unexpected load reduction on an electric generator (or synchronised network of electric geneators) would indeed cause a rapid increace in voltage although to qualify as a "surge" all those millions of TV sets would have to be switched off at exactly the same time. Anyway I got a look at Anna Funder's book recently and she does relate the "power surge" story more or less as fact although common sense does suggest otherwise 80.229.222.48 (talk) 20:16, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

This is not true for AC networks. AC networks react differently to load changes: by changing the mains frequency. --MrBurns (talk) 03:16, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

English name

Could someone add redirects from the English names... "Black Channel" and "The Black Channel". Couldn't figure out how to do this! Ooops!

the trick is to rename the article to "Black Channel", and then rename it back to "Der schwarze Kanal". But shouldn't 'schwarze' be capitalised?

Kransky 01:47, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

article name

This article has been moved to Der Schwarze Kanal. This is wrong - as can be seen from the screenshot and the sources, the program's name in German (with German grammar rules) is Der schwarze Kanal. Would somebody please move it back?

Also, please don't create redirects by moving the article all over the shop - this makes for a nightmare in the edit history and is fraught with likely problems. Just create a new article with the content:

#REDIRECT [[Der schwarze Kanal]]

This makes a redirect and doesn't cause nightmare double redirects and lost history. Thanks. 86.147.226.9 14:00, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Moves don't lose history. I'm not sure what you mean by nightmare, either with regard to edit history or double redirects. Certainly, after any move there may be double redirects that need fixing, but the move dialogue walks you through this.

Certainly, moving an article just to create a redirect is a bad idea. But that's not what was done here.

As for reverting the move, I'm unsure... the German usage isn't a prima facie case for adopting the same usage in English Wikipedia. The question is, what's the normal English usage? ISTM that this can be argued both ways, just from a quick look at Google. Andrewa 11:10, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

No poll has been set up for this as yet, nor has any valid reason for the move been provided. The move proposal appears well-intentioned but seems to stem from misunderstandings of both policy and technical aspects of Wikipedia. Unless a better justification can be provided, perhaps it is best just to let this particular proposal lapse, rather than setting up a poll. But if anyone feels it's worth the effort of having a poll, please feel free to set it up. Andrewa 23:14, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

• The original move was invalid. The article was moved from the correct name to an incorrect name. You propose to leave this article at the incorrect name on the basis that a poll is needed? How ridiculous - did you think this through at all? The only option this leaves is for me to start an account, wait for the time to pass and then, uncontraversially, move the article back to the correct title. Wikipedia will eat itself. 86.154.112.16 09:51, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

The original move (which I did not do) was perfectly valid IMO. It may have been a mistake, that's what a poll would discuss. The above contains a personal attack, and I strongly suggest you read the policy on them. Andrewa 11:03, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

No personal attack made or implied. Perhaps you're being a bit sensitive? Bureaucratic Love 13:29, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps. But your comment did you think this through at all? is IMO clearly in breach of the policy, and not everyone will take it as well as I do, believe me. Andrewa 14:10, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

• Done. Now to wait a couple of days and move this article to the correct name. What a fantastic system. Bureaucratic Love 09:53, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

That's the way to go. Have a look at Wikipedia:naming conventions for evidence to support your move request, and WP:RM for the procedures to follow. And let me know if I can help. Andrewa 11:03, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Tentative support. There appears to be at least de facto acceptance of using the German capitalization rules for adjectives in article titles: Das falsche Buch, Eine kleine Nachtmusik, et cetera. I couldn't find any examples of German-language titles that do capitalize the adjectives. Dekimasuよ! 12:37, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

OK guys..'twas I that made the original change. I did not expect it would create such a fuss. Change it back or keep; I'm indifferent Kransky 13:45, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back to us. I'm not fussed either, and I think Dekimasu makes an excellent point above about other article titles, so I'm tending that way.

Do we need to be any more formal with the poll? The proposer is IMO unlikely to. As long as it goes their way, that may be OK... but if someone later disputes it with the same vigor from the other side, we'll wish we'd stuck strictly to procedures (bitter experience). It all boils down to getting the best result with minimum waste of time. Andrewa 14:10, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

This article has been renamed from Der Schwarze Kanal to Der schwarze Kanal as the result of a move request. --Stemonitis 20:59, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Logo

The black, white and red sash on the (West German) Eagle's chest is the flag of the pre-World War I German Empire. however earlier edits of this article suggest that The sash colours are said to represent nazism, which the East German communists insisted the West German system was based on. which is correct ? Also was the background view of rooftops/antennas an attempt to parody the 1950's logo # of ARD's news programme Tagesschau 213.40.104.250 (talk) 21:12, 31 October 2009 (UTC) the nazis also used the black-white-red colors

Der schwarze Kanal had used at least two different intros over the years which were not like the one depicted in the article (that one is most likely a logo used for one of the "revival" shows of the 1990s). The first intro showed the title cards over water rippling like in a sewer, the latter the antennas with the eagle of West Germany landing on them while the station names of ARD and ZDF were superimposed over the scene.

Also, this programme used three different music intros. The first and last pieces were rather distorted "interpretations" of the (West) German hymn while the second was atypically joyous in a jazzy style.

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