Talk:Denis of the Nativity

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A fact from Denis of the Nativity appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 13 April 2010 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Blessed Denis of the Nativity was a famous cartographer before he joined the Discalced Carmelites and became a priest?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2010/April.

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Removing a fact about the Jesuits

User Piledhigheranddeeper tagged the following sentence with a "needs citation" notice: "Though a career with the Portugese navy was available to [Denis], he chose to join the Jesuits." He requested, quite reasonably, a rationale for why Denis did not stick with the Society of Jesus.

I reviewed my source for this statement, namely, this one, and have decided that the source statement is not very clear on the nature of his joining or courting with joining the Jesuits before joining the Carmelites. Here is that statement: Rejetant toutes les propositions, il se présente, à 29 ans, chez les Jésuites, puis finalement entre chez les Carmes de Goa. This seems pretty vague to me, so I thought it best to cut out this "infection". Opinions welcomed. Alekjds ^talk 05:40, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Definite article is not the proper form...

...obviously. Native speakers of English use "Blessed" and "Saint" with a name as titles. No one talks about "the Saint Paul", or "the Blessed John Paul the Second". The only time that articles are used with "blessed" or "saint" is when they are common nouns, as in, "Paul is a saint", or "John Paul the Second is a blessed", or, "Who is that blessed". The present use of the article makes the text sound clunky at best, and a barbarism (linguistics) at worst. The Doctor R. W. Flammang Rwflammang (talk) 03:59, 10 March 2012 (UTC).[reply]

To the contrary, the traditional form of referring to a beatified person is as "the Blessed....." This is not true in English for saints, but it is for beati. Daniel the Monk (talk) 22:31, 10 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Pierre Berthelot

Presumably if he's notable for his time as a sailor cartographer then English sources will use the name "Pierre Berthelot"? In ictu oculi (talk) 00:08, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]