Talk:Dendrodoa grossularia

did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 05:49, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

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• ... that larvae of the baked bean ascidian often settle onto the tunics of adult individuals? Source: La larve finit par tomber et se fixer sur la tunique d'une groseille adulte puis la larve subit une importante métamorphose*, au cours de laquelle chorde et queue régressent, pour finalement donner un jeune individu adulte en forme d'outre.
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5x expanded by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 11:06, 26 December 2021 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting:
• Other problems: - No

QPQ: Done.

Overall: All the main points check out, but I have some quibbles. First, on the word “often” in the hook: in the source, fréquent is about the larvae being often observed on tunics, but what is said above is simply that they fall onto tunics. Also, looking at the new page, I see there “they settle onto the seabed”, but I couldn’t find that in the only source. Does it come from somewhere else, Cwmhiraeth? Moonraker (talk) 08:26, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

@Moonraker: Well the larvae are planktonic and the adults sedentary on rocks and hard places, so they have to settle somewhere to undergo metamorphosis, and the seabed is a fairly generalised term. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:10, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi Cwmhiraeth, how do you feel about striking through “often”? Seems to me there is a difference between the habitat as described in the lead (“shallow water and on the lower shore in exposed rocky sites”) and “seabed”! If there is no source for that, would suggest losing it. Moonraker (talk) 23:45, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

@Moonraker: Another part of the DORIS source states (in Google translation) "Aggregated, sea currant likes hard rocky substrates (rocks, boulders, overhangs, drop offs, etc.) shaded, but also sometimes the crampons of kelp, from the surface to the infra-littoral zone, rarely lower. Solitary, it attaches itself to the shells of molluscs, living or dead, and to the stones. Locally, and most frequently, sea currants form large populations." So it is apparent that the larva does not exclusively settle onto the tunic of adult individuals and I think we should retain a qualifier such as "often" or "sometimes". Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:40, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Cwmhiraeth, that section isn’t about the larvae. It does tell us this species does not live on the seabed. Forgive me, you seem to want to say things that are not in the source. If you think that is wrong, could I suggest finding another one. Moonraker (talk) 11:08, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

@Moonraker: I think we differ as to the meaning of the word seabed. If a larva swims or floats in the water column, and the adult lives on the solid surface down below, the larva must have settled on the seabed. You could withdraw your tick if you wish and I could ask for another reviewer. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 14:58, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

@Moonraker and Cwmhiraeth: yeah, might as well withdraw the tick—this can't be promoted until the issue's worked out. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she) 20:02, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

• I think a new reviewer is needed, or at least a second opinion about the sourcing issue. It's been over two weeks since the last posts by reviewer and nominator. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:56, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

• Fair comment, BlueMoonset. I have been away for a few weeks in distant parts. My main sticking point was what the article said about the seabed, which is clearly not the habitat of this species, but I guess Cwmhiraeth was using it very generally indeed to mean where the sea meets the rock or sediment underneath. To resolve this, I have taken the liberty of editing the article to take out “seabed”, and the sentence which had it now reads “After a short planktonic period, some settle onto the tunics of adult individuals.” On the word “often” in the hook, it is not in the source relied on but is also not exactly inconsistent with it: whether something happens routinely or always or often it still happens often. So this could go with the hook as it is, but as “often” is not cited perhaps the uploader would do better to leave it out. Moonraker (talk) 21:37, 22 January 2022 (UTC)