Talk:Demographics of the European Union

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Ethnic Composition

Is there no data on ethnic composition of the European Union available? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Emblazoned (talk • contribs) 20:50, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Again, nobody has nay data on this? Nergaal (talk) 01:01, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Eurostat has no mandate to compute it.

Who else could compute such data? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.136.215.154 (talk) 10:59, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Net Migration?

The article claims a net migration rate of 3.6 / 1000 (for 2005?), while the CIA World Factbook claims 1.5 / 1000 (for 2006?). Which one is right? The source for the high 3.6 figure and other sources also claim that it was exceptionally high due to regularisations.

Why is almost all of the immigration section a sentimental spiel about immigration to portugal? TastyCakes 17:41, 8 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Death rate

I guess there is a problem in the article : "Death rate: 10.1 births/1,000 population (2006 est.)". It doesn't make sense.

Yes, it should be deaths.. TastyCakes 19:19, 9 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Moved data

This data was removed from the European Union page. I am putting it here if someone can be intergrated into this or another article - rather than the data being research and written again another time;

However, different countries deal differently with large cities. Athens, for example, has about four million inhabitants, but it has been divided into many municipalities making the city proper of Athens one of the smaller European capitals, with about 800,000 inhabitants. Densely populated regions that have no single core but have emerged from the connection of several cites and are now encompassing large metropolitan areas are Rhine-Ruhr having approximately 10.5 million inhabitants (Cologne, Dortmund, Düsseldorf et al.), Randstad approx. 7 million (Amsterdam, Rotterdam, The Hague, Utrecht et al.), Flemish Diamond approx 5.5 million (Brussels, Antwerp, Ghent et al.), Frankfurt Rhine Main Area approx. 4 million (Frankfurt, Wiesbaden et al.) and the Upper Silesian Industry Area approx. 3.5 million. (Katowice, Sosnowiec et al.).^[1]

The cities table may also be removed, pending discussion on talk page. - J Logan ^t: 10:21, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

More;

The cities table here is either inaccurate; or the cities table here is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union#Demographics

City proper (2005)	mill.	Urban area (2005)	mill.	LUZ (2001)	mill.
London	7.5	Paris	10.1	London	11.6
Berlin	3.4	London	8.5	Paris	11.0
Madrid	3.1	Madrid	5.5	Madrid	5.6
Rome	2.7	Ruhr	5.3	Ruhr	5.4	Barcelona	Berlin	London
Paris	2.2	Barcelona	4.5	Berlin	4.9
Bucharest	1.9	Milan	3.8	Barcelona	4.8
Hamburg	1.8	Berlin	3.7	Milan	3.9
Warsaw	1.7	Rotterdam	3.3	Athens	3.9
Budapest	1.7	Athens	3.2	Rome	3.7
Vienna	1.7	Naples	2.9	Hamburg	3.1	Madrid	Milan	Paris

- J Logan ^t: 13:48, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

hey lisa —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.132.166.210 (talk) 07:40, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Indicators for larger urban zones 1999 - 2003". Eurostat. Retrieved 2007-01-25. {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help)

Internal migration

Are there any sources to prove the claim about migration "from 'former' industrial areas" in Northern Europe to 'sun belt' areas in the South? As far as Germany and the Benelux are concerned, there are still way more migrants from Southern Europe into these industrially developed areas, compared to the other way round. 82.113.106.112 (talk) 18:47, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alpha cities

Comparing this article with global city, either Frankfurt has to go or several others be added. 94.220.249.70 (talk) 08:05, 12 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ethnic Composition

It seems a bit misleading/controversial/POV to state British, Spanish, French etc as ethnic groups without mentioning the ethnic/cutural groups they consit of. It could also come across as pushing one political ideology over another. I figure including a breakdown of these groups would make the entry more neutral. Only made a start so far. Thoughts?

Here you raise several questions:

"~~British,~~ Spanish, French etc as ethnic groups without mentioning the ethnic/cutural groups they consit of." In fact each has its own wikipedia page. This page is about the EU, not member states. How would you deal with ethnic minorities of member states in the EU page?
"a breakdown of these groups": what is your source?
Also the ESS defined groups, but how would it be useful for this page to define ethnic groups that are not quantified? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.136.215.154 (talk) 10:57, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nummerical errors

I noticed some discrepancies in the table. I checked the contribution numbers (percentages) with the given total and came up with some differences. For instance Belgium is currently (May 2013) listed as having a 2.15% population share, but 10'951.7 / 502'519.9 (i.e Belgian population over given total EU population) is closer to 2.179%. Also Spain has a notable difference. On wanting to edit the table, I saw that these percentages are calculated, in the case of Belgium as "#expr: 10827500 / 5025199 round 2". So the Population of Belgium is apparently given twice in this table, once as 10'951'700, and once as 10'827'500 in the formula calcualting the percentage. Yet another number is currently given in the source at Eurostat for the reference date of the previous figures (1 January 2011), 11'000'638; possibly a revised figure. All this should obviously be harmonized. In the percentages of land area there are even more mismatches (these numbers are not calculated by formula in the table), i.e. for Finland, France, Germany, Italy, Poland, Romania, Spain, Sweden, United Kingdom). These are not massive errors, but it would be nice to have an internally consistent table. In the given source, there are the more current numbers for 2012.--92.105.77.131 (talk) 02:59, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Population Growth

The section/table with European countries and their population growth seems confusing to me, and I think should be clarified. The data provided is from the year-on-year growth rate/1000 residents via Eurostat, however the head of the table shows it as percentage point (%.). I think this makes sense in one way, but it also gives the impression that, for example, Sweden's population is growing by 10% a year (adding about 900,000) people a year, or that Cyprus (-23/1000 people a year) will be depopulated in less than 5 years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abdulrahimb (talk • contribs) 00:24, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Unsourced addition of Germany to list of countries where the majority has no religious affiliation

This edit changed

"Several EU nations do not have Christian majorities for example (in the Czech Republic, Estonia, and The Netherlands, the majority has no religious affiliation)."

to

"Several EU nations do not have a Christian majority and for example in [[Germany[[, the Netherlands, [[Estonia[[ and the Czech Republic the majority have no religious affiliation."

i.e Germany was added to the list of nations where the majority has no religious affiliation. This change was made without providing any sources and appears to contradict various other articles and sources. A citation needed tag has now been removed twice with no explanation, for instance here. Could we please have an explanation here? --Boson (talk) 20:36, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

New attempt

The "citation needed" tag was again removed without any explanation, so let's try again:

The following statement currently has no references:

"Several EU nations do not have a Christian majority and for example in Germany, the Netherlands, Estonia and the Czech Republic the majority have no religious affiliation."

Germany was recently added. Changes/citation-needed tags have been repeatedly reverted/removed. I propose to completely remove the statement. Are there any objections or alternative suggestions?

These are the figures for the relevant countries ~~from~~ based on the 2012 Eurobarometer survey:^[1]

Germany:

65% Christian
1% misc. (Jewish + Muslim + Sikh +Buddhist+ Hindu)
1% other
27% atheist+agnostic
4% "don't know"

Czech Republic:

34% Christian
1% misc. (Jewish + Muslim + Sikh +Buddhist+ Hindu)
0% other
59% atheist+agnostic
6% "don't know"

Estonia:

45% Christian
0% misc. (Jewish + Muslim + Sikh +Buddhist+ Hindu)
3% other
37% atheist+agnostic
15% "don't know"

Netherlands:

44% Christian
2% misc. (Jewish + Muslim + Sikh +Buddhist+ Hindu)
4% other
49% atheist+agnostic
1% "don't know"

On the basis of these figures

Germany clearly has a Christian majority.
The Czech Republic clearly has an atheist/agnostic majority.
Estonia seems to now have a Christian plurality but a lot of DKs.
The Netherlands seems to be a bit iffy.

References

^ "Discrimination in the EU in 2012" (PDF), Special Eurobarometer, 393, European Union: European Commission, p. T98, 2012, retrieved 14 August 2013 The question asked was "Do you consider yourself to be...?" With a card showing: Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant, Other Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Sikh, Buddhist, Hindu, Atheist, and Non-believer/Agnostic. Space was given for Other (SPONTANEOUS) and DK. Jewish, Sikh, Buddhist, Hindu did not reach the 1% threshold.

--Boson (talk) 19:22, 4 August 2017 (UTC) [changed 'from' to 'based on' --Boson (talk) 19:09, 5 August 2017 (UTC)][reply]

Ethnic Composition

Hey guys, i think ethnic population is not the same as resident population of a country. What do you guys think? There is any wikipedia mod that knows to use google in 2018 and search what etnicity is? Lets revert back obevious usefull edits until an old enought wikipedian takes his time and learns to use google so he can remove obvious wrong data that stayed in the article for months.

Even on quora you get more correct data than on wikipedia these days. What im saying... even twitch chat knows resident population =/= ethnicity. And every articles is like this one... full of brigated content that is impossible to remove ... wikipedia in 2018 LMAO. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:2F0D:D03:B000:9D2A:A7E7:8BEC:37E (talk) 15:50, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Any source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.136.215.154 (talk) 10:52, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, it is absurd. Residency does not equal citizenship and citizenship is not the same as "ethnicity". I could be a resident of Spain with France citizenship and of Algerian ethnicity! Some country's do not count ethnicity (like France), others, like UK (no longer in the EU but just to prove a point) have "White British" (whatever that means) but no English, Welsh, Scottish, etc Because of political bias we do not have serious data on ethnicity in many European country's, not just the EU.81.101.159.55 (talk) 09:50, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Source for migration rate

The article cites Eurostat for migration rates and ohter statistics, but migration rates from Eurostat are different from the article. What is the source for migration rates ? I will remove or replace migration rates if there is no answer. https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/view/tps00019/default/table?lang=en Givibidou (talk) 14:27, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

An error in the vital statistics section of Demographics of the European Union#Vital statistics

Hi, dear Wikipedia editors! The natural change data seems to be inconsistent with the birth and death rate data in the rows of 2010 and 2011 in this demographic table. Could anybody please help fix this?

Year	Population	Births	Deaths	Natural change	Birth rate (/1000)	Death rate (/1000)	Natural change (/1000)	Migration change (/1000)	Fertility rate
2009	440,426,387	4,622,368	4,341,741	280,627	10.5	9.9	0.6	0.8	1.56
2010	441,041,446	4,603,858	4,344,647	259,211	10.4	-2.4	0.6	1.1	1.57
2011	440,260,386	4,458,386	4,318,817	139,569	10.1	9.8	1.1	0.4	1.54
2012	440,905,186	4,417,656	4,441,347	-23,691	10.0	10.1	-0.1	2.5	1.54

AnnHarryArb (talk) 17:31, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[Eurostat_Urban_zones-1] "Indicators for larger urban zones 1999 - 2003". Eurostat. Retrieved 2007-01-25. {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help)

[EU2012-2] "Discrimination in the EU in 2012" (PDF), Special Eurobarometer, 393, European Union: European Commission, p. T98, 2012, retrieved 14 August 2013 The question asked was "Do you consider yourself to be...?" With a card showing: Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant, Other Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Sikh, Buddhist, Hindu, Atheist, and Non-believer/Agnostic. Space was given for Other (SPONTANEOUS) and DK. Jewish, Sikh, Buddhist, Hindu did not reach the 1% threshold.

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