Talk:Demographics of Thailand/Archive 1

Archive 1

Cite Me

Shouldn't there be a citation for all this data?

It's mostly from the CIA factbook. Mark^{your words} 17:40, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Percentages in first paragraph are distribution of population by region. They are not ethnic data. Do your own maths on the second table here: http://web.nso.go.th/eng/stat/subject/subject.htm#cata1 -Lewis

i no you

i no you befor it was on it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.75.55.102 (talk) 15:56, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

February 2008

This page is pretty much a copy/paste from this one: http://neohumanism.org/d/de/demographics_of_thailand.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrislarsson (talk • contribs) 04:13, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

It's the other way round, actually. --Paul_012 ^(talk) 11:54, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Language Section

The language section of this page does not match the language section of the article on Thailand: Thailand#Language. Wakablogger2 (talk) 22:56, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Thai people speak Vietnamese? 1/3 of Thai people are Lao?

Thai people doesn't speak Vietnamese and in Isan in 1000 people about 500 are Lao but in Bangkok only about 1 or 2 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.109.208.113 (talk) 04:26, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

I'm Vietnamese and no one knows vietnamese here, i'm living in Thailand--101.109.208.113 (talk) 04:28, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Thailand is a big country. Of the 76 provinces, apparently Chanthaburi Province has a significant group of Vietnamese people living there who now probably mainly speak Thai. See also Bangkok Post article on Vietnamese Catholics in Chanthaburi province and video report on Vietnamese in Thailand - Takeaway (talk) 10:45, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

No source, obviously inaccurate

"Every year, 30,000-50,000 Thais die from HIV or AIDS-related causes. Ninety percent of them aged 20–24, the youngest range of the workforce." I don't think 90% of "HIV or AIDS-related" deaths occur between this very narrow age range. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.4.126.246 (talk) 06:20, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

+1 Most of the data in this article pulls from CIA Factbook. But these numbers ARE NOT. 2012 Estimates: 1.1% adults infected with HIV/AIDS amongst population. ~440K total people infected. ~20K Deaths per year. These stats are all from the same CIA World factbook data page that is used in following sections in this article. This needs to be corrected. If anything Thailand is a model of a nation recovering from the AIDS epidemic and it should be lauded. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.202.231.27 (talk) 21:19, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

References

Blood Types

The blood types add up to much more than 100%

globally, the average rates are:

36.6% 33.9% 12.6% 4.4% 5.5% 5.0% 1.5% 0.6%  O+  A+  B+ AB+  O−  A−  B− AB−

I can't imagine Thailand would be far from these figures — Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.99.183.16 (talk) 11:51, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Relgion

Various religions add up to 112% of the population. And it differs from the 'demographics' section of the main article on Thailand. --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 13:11, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Ageing

http://scholarspace.manoa.hawaii.edu/bitstream/handle/10125/3921/p%26p007.pdf?sequence=1

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/business/Ageing-population-may-overwhelm-Thai-pension-syste-30191969.html

http://thailand.unfpa.org/documents/thai_ageing_englishversion.pdf

http://www.demotix.com/news/1884149/thailands-ageing-population#media-1884117

http://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/90/2/12-020212/en/

http://www.psc.isr.umich.edu/pubs/pdf/rr08-659.pdf

http://www.voanews.com/content/thailands-aging-population-poses-challenges-121509959/167433.html

http://english.cntv.cn/program/newsupdate/20121128/105930.shtml

http://www.mysinchew.com/node/76677

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/business/Ageing-population-may-overwhelm-Thai-pension-syste-30191969.html

http://opinion.inquirer.net/8329/a-tale-of-two-countries-family-planning-in-the-philippines-and-thailand-2

Rajmaan (talk) 18:13, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

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Proposed merge of Nationality, religion, and language data for the provinces of Thailand into Demographics of Thailand

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

Proposal 4: to split Nationality, religion, and language data for the provinces of Thailand into separate province articles. Klbrain (talk) 06:04, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

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Nationality, religion, and language data for the provinces of Thailand was created last month and nommed at DYK. The first few sections for the demographics article are ethnic groups, religion, and language. These articles clearly have an almost identical scope and should exist at one title. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 01:58, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

I agree that the new article doesn't quite hold up on its own, but I'm not sure merging into this article (which is already filled with a lot of tables) would be the best option. --Paul_012 (talk) 18:30, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Maybe this article should be made into a separate whole section in that other article? Futurist110 (talk) 01:15, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

I concur that they should exist in one place. I think a separate whole section is redundant within the current format. The structure of this article breaks up the content into separate areas for religion, language, and nationality; where as the table for the provinces of Thailand integrates much of that content. Ultimately including this table might mean substantially restructuring this article to match the table being merged into it, or breaking that table apart to fit within the requisite sections already extent in this page. I personally don't have an opinion either way, as I am not planning on editing here. Perhaps the Nationality, religion, and language data for the provinces of Thailand page should be userfied until a decision is made on how to best represent the material in that article within this page? 4meter4 (talk) 00:03, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

What exactly does userified mean? Also, I would strongly prefer for that table to be kept the way that it is. If it needs to be relocated, OK, but I would be strongly opposed to restructuring it. I don't want all of my previous extremely hard work making this table to be undone, after all. Futurist110 (talk) 03:20, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Userfied means moving it off main space to your user space (an admin would move the whole page to a user space with your name like a user sandbox page). This allows you to save your content/ hard work while a consensus is reached on how to best incorporate the material. I honestly don’t see a good place for your table in this article as it is currently structured. (Just sticking it at the bottom would be redundant by putting content outside of its requisite headings) I am not opposed to restructuring this article to make your table fit (ie merging religion, nationality, and language into a single section), but I am not a major contributor to this page and I don’t know how other editors would feel. That’s why I suggested userfying, so that you could discuss the restructuring of this article. Ultimately an integrated table like the one you have made, may not be the best way to present this content. Or it may be a better approach. I’m not invested in this article, so I have no strong feelings other than keeping things clear and concise regardless of how it’s structured.4meter4 (talk) 05:00, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

I guess the new article could be renamed to Demographics of Thailand by province, which would make it clear that it's mainly a differently organized presentation of the topic, though that wouldn't necessary address the specific issues. --Paul_012 (talk) 09:55, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

I don't see the need to merge these articles given the beauty of hyperlinks. I confess to finding this article's title to be clunky. Rather than expend the energy to merge the articles, I would encourage focus on ensuring this info makes it into individual provincial articles. Seligne (talk) 14:28, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

It seems to me that we have several proposals here, which I am going to put together below so we can formally vote to move towards consensus.Seligne, Paul 012, Futurist110, and Sdkb please vote on each proposal. You may support or oppose more than one.4meter4 (talk) 16:20, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Proposal 1

Move Nationality, religion, and language data for the provinces of Thailand to Demographics of Thailand by province. This would keep two separate articles basically intact.4meter4 (talk) 16:20, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:REDUNDANTFORK. We don't need two articles on the same topic.4meter4 (talk) 16:24, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. I don't have a strong view on how these articles are merged (the destination article clearly needs extensive cleanup to get it looking like GA/FA demographics articles), but per 4meter4 and my nom they clearly need to be merged. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 17:22, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose as per the two explanations above. Futurist110 (talk) 04:40, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose: Creating a new article titled "Demographics of Thailand by province" with this content would be misleading as this content covers only a subset of demographics: nationality, religion, and language.

Proposal 2

Merge Nationality, religion, and language data for the provinces of Thailand to Demographics of Thailand by creating a new section in this article (perhaps Demographics of Thailand by province?)4meter4 (talk) 16:20, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

• Neutral. I neither support or oppose this option. I can see the value of an organization scheme that integrates multiple issues of identity demographics into one navigable table, and which gives data by province. However, it's awkward placing that table here when we have separate sections for religion, language, and nationality. It seems redundant.4meter4 (talk) 16:28, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
• Support: I'm willing to support this idea since it sounds like a suitable compromise for this. Futurist110 (talk) 04:40, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
• Comment: As the simplest solution, this seems like the most likely. Won't be any use to settle on a more complicated outcome if no one is willing to take on the task. --Paul_012 (talk) 13:15, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose: Seligne (talk) 06:20, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Proposal 3

Merge Nationality, religion, and language data for the provinces of Thailand (NRLDPT) to Demographics of Thailand and restructure the entire article by merging nationality, religion, and language under one section heading to fit the organization of the template from NRLDPT4meter4 (talk) 16:20, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

• Support This option would solve the awkwardness problem of the table's organization by integrating Nationality, religion, and language demographics collectively under one section. I'm not invested in this article and other editors would need to do this, but this seems to me the best way to integrate this table into this article.4meter4 (talk) 16:32, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
• Support as per the reason above. Futurist110 (talk) 04:40, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. The article structure is fine as is, and I see no benefit in jumbling up the content in order only to serve a single huge table. --Paul_012 (talk) 13:15, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose: Seligne (talk) 06:21, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Proposal 4

Merge Nationality, religion, and language data for the provinces of Thailand by splitting apart the content in the table/template into the individual provincial articles4meter4 (talk) 16:20, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

• Support I think this is also a reasonable solution. Ultimately, the provincial articles should probably have this statistical information anyway. However, it would mean breaking up that beautifully constructed table, and I can understand how that would be upsetting to the editor who worked so hard to create it.4meter4 (talk) 16:35, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose in the sense that I oppose breaking up this table. However, this information can separately be included on the provincial articles here if this table isn't actually broken up over here. Futurist110 (talk) 04:40, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
• Support: These data, where relevant, should appear in provincial articles. Given that this article reports data from 1990 and 2000 it is primarily of historical trends value. Some provincial articles already contain more up-to-date info (some with cites, some not). I guess I am coming to the conclusion that, while the sources cited are of value, this article is not needed. Seligne (talk) 06:29, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Proposal 5

I thought of a 5th option. Create a collapsable Template:Demographics of Thailand by Province which could be placed on all of the provincial articles and this article at the bottom.

• Support I am not a template guru but this table could be a useful and informative collapsable template.4meter4 (talk) 16:44, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Would this allow my giant table to remain intact in one piece? If so, then I could support this. :) Futurist110 (talk) 22:18, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

I don't see why not. I think s collapsable table at the bottom of the provinces articles makes sense.4meter4 (talk) 22:57, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Sounds reasonable. Support this move. Futurist110 (talk) 04:40, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose. Such a huge table featuring data for all the provinces does not belong and should not be replicated in individual province articles. Even when collapsed, it will still consume resources and cause unnecessary clutter. --Paul_012 (talk) 13:15, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose: See Paul's comment. Seligne (talk) 06:04, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.