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To Apswaaa

Apswaaa, I’m closing eyes on your persistent edit warring and refusal to engage in meaningful discussion right now. Now I’m being patient enough to explain why your version classifies as original research.

The Abkhaz of the Census you are citing includes the following groups: Abkhaz (proper), Sadz, Abazins and Tsebeldians. 60,000 is the total number of these communities as per your source (p. 5, “Abkhaz”). Now, Sadz and Abaza did not live in the area traditionally designated as Abkhazia or the Sukhum district of the Russian Empire, but were located outside its boundaries, in the North Caucasus. Furthermore, many Abkhaz lived in other areas of the Russian Empire, e.g. Adjara (Batum district). Hence, 60,000 is the total number of the Abkhaz living in the Russian Empire, not the number of the Abkhaz living in Abkhazia (Sukhum district).

From what I can see your assertion that “According to the Alphabetic list of peoples inhabiting the Russian Empire the number of Abkhazians amounted to 60,000 in 1886,[6] which means that Samurzaqanians were Abkhazians” is based on the comparison of the figures for the population of Abkhazia (Sukhum district) and the total number of the above-mentioned Abkhaz groups. However, you do ignore the fact that part of these groups, namely Sadz and Abaza, did not live in the Sukhum district and are not part of its population of 67,846. --Kober^Talk 17:19, 22 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The number I site doesn’t include Sadzians (who lived at the Black Sea cost, by the way) and Tsebeldians, as they were expelled to Turkey prior to 1886. It doesn’t also include Abazians, as, according to the Alphabetic list, Abkhazians live in Kutais province. 60,000 is the number of Abkhazians living in Kutais province in 1886. Batum district was part of Kutais province, but there were only 1,469 Abkhazians there in 1886 (Килба Э. К. Особенности речи батумских абхазов. — Тбилиси. 1983. С. 7). Apswaaa (talk) 11:22, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Instead of tutoring me, I'd suggest using your brain yourself. And please be more polite; otherwise, I will have to assume that you are still at the same level of development as it is described by your source. Where does your source say that 60,000 is the number of only Abkhaz proper? Give me the exact citation. --Kober^Talk 11:51, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

One source about population of Abkhazia

I found this source that say that "by the end of the nineteenth century, Abkhazians made up slightly more than 53% of population of Abkhazia". Should we include this info somewhere into article text? PANONIAN 14:19, 14 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Ercwlff The graph does not accurately represent the data from [1]: there Samurzaqanoans are grouped with Abkhaz while you grouped them with Georgians. Obviously there is a controversy about this, so maybe it'd be better to remove 1886 data from the graph? Alaexis_¿question? 10:52, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Alaexis the source does so for political reasons. What territory does Samurzakano occupy and what ethnic group have Samurakanoans been counted as in any census since abolishing the them "Samurzaqanoan" you can research very well. It's Mingrelians who live there till to this day. Samurzakano is just Gali District, Abkhazia. -Ercwlff (talk) 11:03, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the answer. If you say that the source is not reliable then it shouldn't be used and you need to provide a different source for the data you used in the chart. Alaexis_¿question? 11:05, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]