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While I am an avid Philip K. Dick fan, the report on the usage of "demesne" in his book does not seem to contribute enough to the present article to be worth the space it takes up. Admittedly the paragraph is somewhat redeemed by the presence of ants. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.217.29.139 (talk) 02:39, 25 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I can't really see the need for this section at all, the word is not unusual enough to merit it surely? It is a word in fairly common usage, like other mediaeval related words, castle, manor, barony, which none of them merit sections "use in popular culture". If anyone agrees, perhaps the section could be removed. (Lobsterthermidor (talk) 21:13, 4 February 2011 (UTC))[reply]

Agreed. I'm being BOLD. MarkinBoston (talk) 02:23, 12 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Demesne and desmesne

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I am thinking perhaps demesne is sometimes spelt desmesne, as in the article Mains (Scotland). Laurel Bushjhgujhdxhc

Indeed, which is why I had a job finding this page just now :) Hakluyt bean 19:13, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Etymology

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Isn't demesne simply a 17th-century 'etymological' misspelling of the French derivate of the Latin dominium? Iblardi 12:57, 16 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

one to one translation?

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demesne could also mean "do not sell", from de-emere (latin sth like "to sell"), formed as a Tag question (the ne). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.54.89.252 (talk) 04:00, August 23, 2007 (UTC)

No, it definitely comes ultimately from Dominus, lord, master of a household, as reference to any good dictionary will reveal. (Lobsterthermidor (talk) 21:07, 4 February 2011 (UTC))[reply]

Need to expand this or create a new page for Feudal Domains

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I noticed this page as a redirect from Feudal Domain. A new, separate page needs to be made to include and differentiate between both European and Japanese Feudal Domains. I would do this, but I'm not sure how this is done. Suggestions? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.147.36.48 (talk) 07:00, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

German translation

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If you follow the link to the German Wikipedia and from there the link back to the English version and so on, you don't go back to the start, but you are led an interesting way: Demesne -> de:Krongut -> Crown land -> de:Kronland (Kanada) -> Crown land#Canada. This already shows that not all articles linked to can be exact equivalents.

What is problematic is already the first translation. "Krongut" means "Crown land"; it is therefore a correct translation for "royal demesne", but not for "demesne" in general (is there a difference between "royal demesne" and "crown land"? The chapter on the royal demesne seems to contain information similar to Crown land. This might be part of the problem). In my opinion, the proper German word for "Demesne" in the sense of "the land [...] retained by a lord of the manor for his own use and support, under his own management, as distinguished from land sub-enfeoffed by him to others as sub-tenants" is "Salland" or "de:Fronhof". Are there different opinions?

I already asked at "at the talk page of the German "Fronhof" article, but there was no reaction at all. If there no disagreement, I would change the translation links as follows and thereby dissolve the link chain described above: Demesne <-> de:Fronhof; de:Krongut <-> Crown land; de:Kronland (Kanada) <-> Crown land#Canada.--Hannesde Correct me! 09:52, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Barton of the West Country

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I've removed this section from the article as it seems to be too peripheral and WP:UNDUE to the main topic, most of it is not properly referenced and other reference sources (e.g. Ekwall, Watts) don't agree with the definition here. I've replaced it with a brief note under "Etymology". A redirect exists at Barton (demesne), with an entry on the Barton dab page.

Removed content follows:

The term "barton" (Old English: beretun[1]) was historically used almost synonymously with "demesne" in the West Country of England, principally in Devon and Cornwall.[2] In the post-feudal era, its use survives today to designate a large farmhouse near the manor house,[3] or a former manor house which suffered a loss of status being later used or let as a farmhouse.[4] Richard Carew (d.1620), in his 1602 "Survey of Cornwall" defined "barton" thus: "That part of the demesne which appertaineth to the lord's dwelling-house they call his barton".[5] However, there are instances of parts of the barton being let (rented) out to tenants, in a way that uses barton effectively as a synonym for the manor rather than for that part of the manor directly managed by the lord of the manor.[6]

A well-known historic barton is Barton Regis ("Barton of the king"), now a suburb of Bristol, Gloucestershire, but originally an estate comprising the barton of the royal Bristol Castle, where the castle's provisions were produced and stored.

References

  1. ^ Collins English Dictionary, London, 1986, p.125: from bere, barley + tun, stockade
  2. ^ Byrne, Muriel St. Clare, (ed.) The Lisle Letters, 6 vols, University of Chicago Press, Chicago & London, 1981, vol.1, p.622, note 1, discussing Carew's definition
  3. ^ e.g. Simonsbath Barton, near Simonsbath House, Exmoor
  4. ^ e.g. Brightley Barton, Chittlehampton and West Molland Barton in Molland, both in Devon
  5. ^ Carew, Richard, Survey of Cornwall, 1602, p.111
  6. ^ Court books and rolls of the Manor of Cuttenbeake 1588 listing tenants of the barton of Cuttenbeak.

 —SMALLJIM  13:10, 4 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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