Talk:Deities and fairies of fate in Slavic mythology

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Unfortunately "Slavic" section is not uploaded. I cut it from google books (the text is in public domain):

INTERESTING evidence of fatalism is recorded by the Greek historian Procopius 11 who asserts that the Slavs knew nothing about fate and denied that it had any sort of on man when threatened by death or overcome by or when preparing for war they vowed to offer a to the gods should the peril be luckily passed This evidence may be considered as proof that the Slavs not blind fatalists but believed in a higher being who dealt out life and death and whose favour might be won sacrifices Many reports about these beings have been Among the ancient Russian deities written tradition makes of Rod and Rozanice [12] to whom the ancient Slavs bread cheese and honey This worship of Rod and points to the fact that in the belief of the ancient the fate of man depended first of all on his descent his male forefathers and ancestors and on his mother rozanice The function of the ancestors as the dispensers of having gradually disappeared from the belief of the people Rozanices alone kept their place this being easily explained the fact that the connexion between a new born child and mother is much more intimate and apparent than that the whole line of ancestors Similarly the Roman Junones protectors of women were originally souls of the dead 13 the Disirs of Scandinavian mythology are spirits of deceased mothers that have become dispensers of fate Among the Croatians and Slovenians the original appellations of Rodjenice Rojenice from roditi to give birth are still much in vogue As they were believed to predestine the fate of new born children they were also called Sudice Givers of Fate Sudjenice Sujenice Croatian Sojenice Sujenice Slovenian Sudzenici Bulgarian or Sudicky Bohemian The Bulgarians have their own name for them viz Narucnici narok destiny or they call them Orisnici Urisnici Uresici from the Greek 6p ovres establishing determining and in northern Russia they go by the name of Udelnicy ie Dispensers of Destiny These genii of fate are usually regarded as pretty lasses or as good natured old women The Southern Slavs speak of them as being beautiful like fairies with white round cheeks and attired in white garments their heads are covered with a white cloth their necks are adorned with gold and silver trinkets and with jewellery and in their hands they hold burning candles so that on moonlit nights their ethereal figures may easily be seen The Czechs entertain similar ideas the goddesses of destiny appear like white maidens or old women they are tall in stature and their bodies are well nigh transparent their cheeks are pale but their eyes sparkle and may bewitch people Their garments are white and their heads are covered with white kerchiefs although sometimes their whole faces are shrouded with a white veil According to other traditions they wear a glistening robe and their hair is adorned with precious stones yet on the other hand they are also described as being very plainly attired with only a wreath of silvan flowers on their heads The Bulgarian Narucnici wear a white dress Although definite forms are thus ascribed to the fate spirits they are very seldom visible Whoever catches a glimpse of them will be stupified with horror and will be unable to move a single step The members of a family very rarely see them this experience usually being reserved for a visitor or a beggar The Bohemians believe that after sending deep sleep upon a woman lying in childbed the Destinies put the infant upon table and decide his or her fate Usually three Destinies the third and oldest being the most powerful but is also made of one four five seven or nine with a at their head Their decisions often thwart one another what the last says is decisive and will be fulfilled The chief which they determine are how long the child will live it will be rich or poor and what will be the manner of death According to a wide spread belief the first spins second measures and the third cuts off the thread whose signifies the duration of life of the new born mortal It is generally held that the Destinies may be induced to give favourable verdict by means of presents and sacrifices and the night after the birth the Croatians and Slovenians are the habit of placing wax candles wine bread and salt upon table of the room where the woman lies should this be an evil fate would be in store for the child The of Istria bring bread to the caves where the live and put it under stones near the entrance in Bulgaria a supper is prepared for the Oresnicis and relations are invited to partake of it In Bohemia a table with a white cloth was made ready for them chairs placed around it and on it were laid bread salt and with the occasional addition of cheese and beer and the christening feast in similar fashion remnants of the were left on the table in order to propitiate the spirits destiny Russian tradition personifies the fate bestowed upon a man his birth as a supernatural being called Dolya who is described as a poorly dressed woman capable of transforming herself into various shapes She usually lives behind the oven andis either good or evil The good Dolya protects her favourite day and by night and serves him faithfully from his birth his death She takes care of his children waters his fields meadows with dew works for him drives fish into his nets and swarms of bees into his hives protects him against wild beasts guards his flocks gets purchasers for his goods increases the price of his crops selects good full ears from other people's sheaves for him and bestows good health upon him No one will succeed unless she helps him and without her assistance all his efforts will be in vain Woe to him who gets an evil Dolya Nedolya Licho for his share All his toil and all his endeavours will be of no avail his evil Dolya does nothing but sleep or dress herself or make merry never thinking of offering him any aid Her power has no limits so that a proverb says Not even your horse will get you away from your Dolya ie it is impossible to get rid of her all attempts to sell her or make her lose herself in woods or drown her in the sea are bound to fail The Russian Dolya has a Serbian counterpart in the Sreca her relation to the Dolya being the same as that of the Latin to fortuna and of sors to fatum She is described as a beautiful girl spinning a golden thread and she bestows wel fare upon the mortal to whom she is assigned caring for his fields and grazing his flocks In national songs and traditions the Sreca frequently occurs as an independent being by the side of God The SreCa is however not only good but also evil in which latter case she is misfortune personified and may be called Nesreca In this aspect she is represented as an old woman with bloodshot eyes always sleeping and taking no notice of her master's affairs although she is also said to be engaged in spinning Unlike the Dolya a man may get rid of her and drive her away.

May be I'll put it there. Staszek Lem (talk) 20:43, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Source

See source in Dolya and Narecnitsi. --Лобачев Владимир (talk) 02:26, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

• See also: Talk:Supernatural beings in Slavic religion. --Лобачев Владимир (talk) 13:53, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 18 October 2019

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No consensus for the proposed move, after extended time for discussion. bd2412 T 19:58, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Deities and fairies of fate in Slavic mythology → Rozhanitsy – This title is too long and inaccurate. The current title exists because of a small amount of information, but I corrected the article. These deities have different names in different at different regions, but name should be standardized to Rozhanitsy(which is russian/polish spelling) because it is most popular and it is recognized everywhere. Also big part of sources about rozhanitses comes from Russia. I was thinking about simpler Rozanice(very smilar spelling), but for some reason a lot of english scholars record them az rozhanitsy. Sławobóg (talk) 19:47, 18 October 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:22, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

• oppose - Too cryptical. The current title is more descriptive. A redirect from the current title may look acceptable, but which would be the most typed search key ? I thing that Rozhanitsy is a better redirect choice. --Robertiki (talk) 16:16, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

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"Unsourced" stuff

@Staszek Lem: Why is my stuff being removed? What is unreferenced here? What I wrote follows from the rest of the text. Sławobóg (talk) 22:36, 2 February 2020 (UTC)