Talk:Defense of the Adzhimushkay quarry

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A fact from Defense of the Adzhimushkay quarry appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 27 September 2006. The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that during World War II, more than 10,000 Soviet soldiers and civilians, cut off from the mainland, resisted for 170 days in the Adzhimushkay quarries in Crimea?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2006/September.

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"Toxic gases"

Can anyone provide a citation for this? I think it may well be the first instance that I have ever heard of chemical weaopns being used on the battlefield during WWII, although I'm hardly much of a historian. Badgerpatrol 13:21, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It wouldn't be the first time that WP or some other standard smoke round was mistaken for chemical weapons in WWII. I suspect if you did fill a small confined space (like these catacombs) it would cut the oxygen in the air, creating the impression of being gassed. - Anon

A lot of Russian sources do (see [1] for instance)

And there is a mention in Halder's diaries: (Halder F. Kriegstagebuch. Tägliche Aufzeichnungen des Chefs des Generalstabes des Heeres 1939-1942. — Stuttgart: W. Kohlhammer Verlag, 1962-1964)

Looking up entry of June 13, 1942: "General Oxner: Report on using of chemical forces in the fight for Kerch". Kerch itself fell on May 17 (or 19), so they can only refer to Adzhimushkay. I will add these refs... -- Grafikm ^(AutoGRAF) 13:43, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Wehrmacht did NOT use chemical weapons in WW II. All information to the contrary is wrong. There were, however, combat engineer units that were equipped with an explosive gas (hydrogen at first, later 80% carbon oxide and 20% ethylene) code-named Taifun. This gas was pumped into bunkers to detonate them from within. Even with the later mixture it would have been extremely difficult to achieve a fatal concentracion of gas. Thus the use of Taifun can hardly be labeled chemical warfare (although the Soviets did). N.B.: The success of the Taifun units was rather poor. 141.13.8.14 15:25, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Then would you please be so kind to explain what Halder refers to in his diary then? Thanks, Grafikm ^(AutoGRAF) 15:26, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have just been in Kerch and they are still sustaining there, that the partisans had been gassed and subsequently, when coming out, shot dead. Stephanie (from Germany, there is no German wiki-article on Adzhimushkai.)

Who him?

We've been introduced to 'Colonel P.M. Yagunov', but who was 'Povazhniy'? He pops up as the commander of the Small Catacombs but other than that I'm not sure. I belatedly saw his initials (M.G.) [I'd already pressed 'save'] in the info box, but was he a member of the Red Army, (if so what rank), a partisan or what?

RASAM (talk) 20:29, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Commented out

I commented out the article per per WP:V -- uncited from 2013. It was also full of POV language and badly written, such as section heading "Pre-history" (?). The article needs to be rewritten. K.e.coffman (talk) 01:29, 5 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I uncommented it back. I am taking responsibility to verify and 'footnotify' the text. Please be patient; the text does not contain obvious blunders, but unfortunately my brain does not allow me to work fast these days. - üser:Altenmann >t 01:42, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, I'm glad someone is taking the time to improve the article. So much of Wikipedia's WWII content is garbage (see my list of Problematic WWII content); I think I was feeling a bit overwhelmed back in March when I did it. :-) K.e.coffman (talk) 07:55, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]