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Shooting Victims

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Eve Carson is notable but Lawrence King is not? Where is the justification in this? Is it solely because King does not have his own page? JanderVK (talk) 06:45, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Some members of the Wikipedia community appear to have a fixation with posting articles (and hence death notices) about murdered pretty white girls. Wikipedia is rapidly turning tabloid. WWGB (talk) 06:51, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
See Missing white woman syndrome for some background. Thanks, SqueakBox 02:34, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mar Paulos Faraj Rahho

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We don't have a death date for Mar Paulos Faraj Rahho but we will not be excluding him, I just stuck him at the beginning and said early in March, like the ref. If anyone has a better solution, but I say removing him would be trolling, he clearly needs to be here. Is there [precedent? I imagine so. Thanks, SqueakBox 00:30, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that he should be listed, but no-one else has ever appeared with an undated entry. In cases where the date of death is not clear (Steve Fossett for example) then the death is reported on the date last seen alive. In the archbishop's case, that would be February 29. Alternatively, it could be reported on the date that the body was found, March 13. Rather than being patched onto the top of the page, I think one of the two known dates is better. WWGB (talk) 00:43, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds good to me. Thanks, SqueakBox

Soviet Citizens?

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To the always entertaining, but never-endingly contentious citizenship attribution issue on the Deaths page let me add this question: When a person dies who was formerly a citizen of the Soviet Union, but who has, since the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991, been a citizen of any one of its successors (Russia, Ukraine, Georgia, Tajikistan, etc.), is that deceased person’s “citizenship” to be listed on this page as that of the country of which the deceased had been a citizen for the last 16 and some odd years, or as “Soviet”?

Most former citizens of the Soviet Union listed here are designated Russian or Ukrainian or whatever citizenship they held at the time of their death. For instance, Gaji Abashilov who died on 21 March, was a Soviet citizen for 40 years and a Russian one for less than half that time, yet his biography lists only his Russian citizenship. Likewise, Iosif Boyarsky (died March 13), is listed as Russian, despite being a citizen of the Soviet Union for over three-quarters of his life: 69 of his 90 years!

Even people who, at one time, were the very face of the Soviet Union are today, on the pages of Wikipedia at least, Russians, or Georgians or whatever. On his Wikipedia entry Mikhail Gorbachev is a “Russian politician”. Former Soviet Foreign Minister Eduard Shevardnadze’s nationality is listed as “Georgian”. Soviet-era Olympian Sergey Bubka is described as “a retired Ukrainian pole vaulter.”

The question is on my mind today because of an inconsistency posed by the entry for Sergey Kramarenko (March 25) which lists his citizenship as “Soviet/Azerbaijani”. Is this the new format on the deaths page for former Soviet citizens?

However, this is not solely a problem for former Soviet citizens. For the first 37 years of her life, until the reunification of Germany, Angela Merkel was a citizen of East Germany. If she were to die tomorrow would these pages record her citizenship as “East German”? --Blake the bookbinder (talk) 21:59, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sergey Kramarenko notice varied to Azerbaijani for consistency. WWGB (talk) 02:07, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

March 13, 2008

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Why do you delete 3 dead persons (Peter Cullen, Scarlet Garcia, David Mwenje)? Cmon, edit but I can't, Star Garnet. Please, instead of delete, must edit, OK. Good luck!!!

Thanks, —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.54.108.42 (talk) 05:28, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The names have been there for one month. No-one bothered to write an article about them during that time. The notability of those people has therefore not been tested through Speedy Deletion, Proposed Deletion or Articles for Deletion procedures. Without established notability, they do not belong on a list of notable deaths. WWGB (talk) 05:37, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

But it's not you to delete, it's Star Garnet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.54.108.42 (talk) 06:08, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We both delete, just depends who gets there first! WWGB (talk) 06:16, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wh-at!? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.54.108.42 (talk) 06:28, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I edited the article of Scarlet Garcia, so, never mind. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Unknownquinones (talk • contribs) 16:15, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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I guess, probably one week and we'll take off Oliver if an article hasn't been written. Star Garnet (talk) 04:02, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind. Star Garnet (talk) 12:57, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Sam Toy

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Wikipedia does not seem to have an article on Sam Toy, but I believe he died in March, as his obituary in The Telegraph (which can be found by a quick Google search attests. He was also one of the people mentioned on the Radio 4 series Last Word on April 25 2008. Should we start an article on Toy and add his name to this list, as he appears to have been big in the world of business?ACEOREVIVED (talk) 19:16, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I added an article about Toy on May 12, 2008, but this area is not my strength, and so my article was rather slim.I just thought that, as no one else had taken the offer, I would; but I would appreciate some one with more knowledge of Ford Motor Companythan me to expand the article. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 21:24, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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