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Locked from anon edits

Why is this article locked? There's no explanation box. This is outrageous. "Created in Japan by two Japanese manga artists" come on, that sentence is ridiculous. 74.241.93.249 03:39, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Good point. Fixed the sentence. I believe it got locked because it was vandalized a lot, but maybe we could try lifting that and see what happens? It has been a while... Doceirias 03:53, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, apparently what happened was that it now gets vandalized five or six times a day. Should we go back on, or is it not quite enough to justify it? We have been doing a pretty good job of catching them... Doceirias 03:38, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Depends on howmany different IP's or USER's that are actually doing the vandalism, if its quite a lot, we should consider protecting it.--Sunny910910 ^{(talk|Contributions)} 04:39, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

the death note is really a show for anyone that wants to watch it that can hear cursing and see things little kids shouldnt see but what ever. the show is a great show that was created in Japan. Madison 9:50pm febuary6,2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.232.120.111 (talk) 05:49, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Protaganist

In the charecter section it says Light is the protaganist but he is a evil mass murder how can he be a protaganist arnt protaganist supost to be good? ♥Fighting for charming Love♥ 16:41, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

No. He is the main character of the story, they can be evil. Artemis Fowl anyone? Dorian Grey? --BiT 17:08, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes. Just because a character is a protagonist doesn't prevent said character from being anti-heroic. --68.10.101.122 18:01, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, the protagonist is simply the main character. And further more it can be very debatable wheather Light is evil or not. Just because you think he's evil doesn't make it so.74.106.182.101 02:19, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

The story does not really leave a lot of room for seeing him as _not_ evil, 74.106.182.101... Luis Dantas 13:57, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Well he wasn't "evil", at the very least he did mean well. It just got out of hand. --BiT (talk) 01:56, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

As evidenced by his actions and inner monologue at both the beginning of the story and during the Yotsuba arc, it can be said that Light is, in fact, simply a genius who strongly believes in justice. Given this sudden absolute power to make a real significant difference - the Death Note - his sense of right and wrong becomes corrupted. Once he loses his memories of the Death Note though - is he evil? So where is the real evil, in Light's soul or in the existence of absolute power? That's the moral of Death Note's story, that any ordinary decent person can and will become a monster if given the means, motive, and opportunity to carry out any desires they wish, in other words, absolute power. Even the Shinigami are not truly evil, they simply are what they are. While those who die by the power of the Death Note are the primary victims of the story, but Light is also a victim. He goes from a promising young university student who believes more than anything in justice and decency, to a morally bankrupt mass-murderer who can see his own father's death - when his father is the person he has always idolized the most - without being even slightly bothered. The power of the Death Note itself is the only true evil in the story. 76.10.138.129 (talk) 00:43, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

In REVENGE OF THE SITH, Darth Sidious said "Good and evil are points of view." I guess this only shows the truth of that statement. The fact that Light belives what he is doing is good does not meake it so. Remember, he is also murdering law enforcement officers; not to mention that he did indicate in the second episode that he would kill his family if he deemed it necessary. The fact that Light only came about doing what he is doing because the DEATH NOTE came into his possession is a moot point. The DN is only a tool; even if it had not fallen into his hands, he was and would still be inwardly what he is: a murderer. It would probably have taken him longer to start down that road, but his personality and character would almost certainly have lead him to the same end -- after all, there are such murders in the world even without having a DN. --Jason Palpatine (talk) 22:57, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I think it' more along the line of our perception of his actions. When I was reading it I saw him as the "good guy" up until the second half of the manga.

The protagonist isn't even necessarily the main character. The main character, protagonist, and hero can all be different characters in a work. In this case, Light is the main character, protagonist, and villain, while L is (for the L arc) an antagonist and hero.118.90.7.71 (talk) 07:39, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Good and Evil are not absolute concepts. they are perceptions created by an individuals' societal context. A survival mechanism. Like free will, point to where this "good" and this "evil" is. is it square? round? black? green? is it a disembodied, ethereal organ that kind of floats behind our heads? or some cosmic scoreboard? Just as described in that first intro song, Yagami Light threw away everything that wasn't of use to him, things internal and external, in the name of his ideal. At that point, he became less than human, a force of some type, like wind or quarks. Oh, and protagonist doesn't actually mean hero, it just means the main character, the one the story revolves around. --Lonegrigori (talk) 01:36, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

"Good and Evil are not absolute concepts." Is that an absolute statement? 'Cause that would be kind of contradictory - absolutely defining something as not absolute. Besides, that's just your point of view - it doesn't make right just because that's how you want it to be. Well, I'm in no mood for an argument, so I won't expound more. --Eruhildo (talk) 02:26, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

He wasn't evil, it's the book that's evil. Oh wait... Guns don't kill people... People kill people. We still arrest you for murder if you have amnesia :P. 122.104.160.66 (talk) 09:29, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

I think good and evil are similar concepts that both only want to make a statement. In most stories that I see, heroes kill monsters, villains, etc. but isn't killing considered evil itself? Anyways, protagonist or antagonist, they're both misunderstood in a way. Sometimes it seems that good guys do something bad and bad guys do something good, it's all very natural if you ask me but still, some people get confused about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.217.38.153 (talk) 13:38, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

This section of wikipedia is for discusion how to improve the page, not a discussion of the page itself.Nor an excuse to mouth stupid platitudes or discuss philosiophy. The length of this page is too great. This section should be removed. 82.75.218.105 (talk) 02:19, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Part of it was relevant, at least at the time, and it's not that long. It can stay. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 02:24, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Also, it would be archived, not removed. An archive bot would seriously trim this talk page. Rau's talk 04:26, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

The Shinigami

Ryuk didn't explain why they're so bored with their jobs, that anyone who actually writes names in their notebook is considered pointlessly overworking themselves. He said they barely have any work to do anymore, but what could he mean by that? Surely as the human population increases, they have -more- work to do. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.21.221 (talk) 04:29, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Probably because they don't have to put a name in their Death Note to facilitate one's death. Perhaps the problem is that humanity has become so good at dealing death to each other that adding to Death Notes is frankly becoming a waste of time. --68.10.101.122 18:07, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

The user above makes an excellent point. Rem actually remarks on this astonishing capacity that humans have during the initial meeting that we see at Yotsuba, when she says that humans 'are ugly'... 9 09:07, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Two points, and then I'll shut up. 1) Wikipedia talk pages aren't for discussion of the subject, but for discussion of how to improve the page about the subject. But be that as it may ... 2) I've read and watched the whole series, and the reason the shinigami are kind of shiftless is never explained. They extend their own lives by writing names in their Death Notes, but normal human death does nothing for them. They don't have a quota to fill either. -- Boradis 05:11, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

North American Airing

I'm submitting it here due to the semi-protected nature of the page and because it perhaps needs considering whether or not it should be acted upon.

As is probably known by now, the Death Note anime is now airing in North America. It first aired in the US last night and is due to air in Canada this week (October 26th, to be exact). Perhaps the following need to be added to the network line:

Cartoon Network (Adult Swim)

YTV (Bionix)

--68.10.101.122 18:04, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

apples

Just a quick question that ive been wondering about for a long time. Whats with Death note and apples? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.7.123.227 (talk) 04:59, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

I think you should know, for future reference, that Wikipedia is not a forum. I'd instead recommend looking for a forum on Google where you can ask this and other questions about Death Note. Hope this clarifies. ^^ Drumpler 08:54, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

"Realitity taking over fiction"

Hi. I just wanted to put some attention upon this (rather old) article, and I wondered if you guys think it should be mentioned somewhere in the Controversy section?: http://204.157.1.121/~n/news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6483897.stm.htm 81.228.148.16 11:42, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Are you sure it's not an April Fool piece? The date seems just about right, and actually, so does the text. Luis Dantas 11:52, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I dunno... To be honest with you, I didn't consider that possibility (such an L I am)... *surfs off to find additional information about above article* 81.228.148.16 23:14, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I hate to intrude, but I believe that article has already been brought up and concluded to be a hoax. 'Twould be interesting if one could find evidence to the contrary, though. ^.^ Lithiumflower 23:19, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Also notice how the domain is NOT BBC.com ... it is a guy with a BBC spoof address. WhisperToMe 23:22, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Hn... And the only other reference I found was on some "Japan Today" site (http://69.65.98.239/~n/japantoday.com/jp/news/401657.htm)... You guys should pick up detectiving (and I should drop it), you've got some talent... Sorry to have disturbed in vain. Ta-ta. 81.228.148.16 23:36, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I think the newspaper is real but that is not actually from the newspaper site - that news article is also from a spoof domain that looks like the newspaper site. WhisperToMe 03:53, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Click the "Print This Article" link on that page. You'll see that the original article was about whalers in Japan. The fake never bothered to alter that page. Drumpler 12:10, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Written Rules

I am clear that the written rules of the Death Note should not be changed, but things like the anime also list other rules and facts relevant to the Death Note. Should they be included in the section under something like "Unwritten Rules"? At the very least, perhaps a disclaimer should be noted that those written rules are not the complete rules of the Death Note.

Also, the thing about the 400 seconds perhaps should be italicized, to indicate that this is a clarification on the verbatim rule rather than part of the rule itself. —68.10.101.122 18:03, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Speaking of which, what happened to the Rules of the Death Note article? It has mysteriously disappeared with no log. Renian (talk) 05:48, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rules of the Death Note happened. --Pentasyllabic (talk) 05:59, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Aw. It was a good resource for the most part. I understand why it happened however, so thanks. Renian (talk) 04:56, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Because there should be at least two subsections to every section I took out the subsection called "Written Rules", this section needs to be further expanded though as the Death Note has 74 rules "displayed at the end of the first half of and episode and the beginning of the second half. Shinigami Queen (talk) 05:14, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Please stop now. Yes, we know there's 80-ish written rules in the eyecatch scenes. We don't include them because it's unnecessary and trivial, as well as a possible copyright violation. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 20:47, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

How is it unnecessary and trivial? And is it a copyright violation? Who are we to decide that the rules on the mainspace page are the only important one. 76.16.188.239 (talk) 20:51, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

The rules on the main page are important because they're printed in the book. The others are just unnecessary clarification. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 23:06, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

What do you mean they are "printed in the book"? 76.16.188.239 (talk) 01:48, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Written in the inside cover. In other words, they're the ones upon which the other 80 are derived. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 02:01, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Too many genres

Guys, according to WP:MOS-AM#Content, we're supposed to use the most notable stylistics for anime and manga, ie, what are the most well known categories for this series? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 00:36, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

I would see it as a Shonen and a Thriller... can't think of any other categories yet. WhisperToMe (talk) 19:38, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Shōnen would be the demographic. I'd say Action (genre); Psychological thriller supernatural fiction. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 22:25, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

I'd agree there; Supernatural thriller covers all the genres currently mentioned, but is much more succinct. Doceirias (talk) 22:30, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Okay, Sesshomaru changed his comment and now I no longer agree with him. The word psychological seems unnecessary. And it definitely isn't action. At all. Doceirias (talk) 22:53, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Truth be told, I have no idea now about the genres. Was I right before? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 23:01, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Both Psychological thriller and Supernatural thriller seem to fit to me. But it doesn't really seem like Action to me. --Eruhildo (talk) 23:37, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't know what I was thinking when I said action. I agree with Eruhildo. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 09:40, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Rather then engage in original research, go find sources. First ANN classifies it as Drama, Mystery, Police, Psychological, and Supernatural for the manga and Drama, Fantasy, Horror, Mystery, Police, Psychological, and Supernatural for the anime. Of course, you can drop genres that are redundant to one another, like Fantasy, Supernatural, and Horror. AnimeNfo lists the genres as Fantasy and Mystery for the anime and Criminal, Drama, Fantasy, Mystery, for the manga. IMDB list the genres as Drama and Mystery. And THEM lists it as Drama, Mystery, Horror and Psycho Thriller.

The common elements here are Fantasy (perhaps Supernatural), Drama, and Mystery. I'm not sure how much Psychological and Mystery corresponds with each other. But that should narrow it down to three main genres --Farix (Talk) 23:56, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Ooh, that's really smart. I wish I'd thought of that. Let's see, so Fantasy, Drama, and Mystery - those look good. The Psychological thriller article just seems to scream "Death Note" to me and some of the above sources listed it as such or similar. Though the list of genres won't really be any shorter if we use all four of them. --Eruhildo (talk) 03:09, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

We can't source things when the sources don't make sense. Death Note is a Psychological thriller; it is none of the elements you've listed above. Drama is inherently redundant to any genre except comedy, fantastical elements do not a fantasy make, and Mystery seems far less applicable than Thriller or some subgenre thereof. I would suggest just calling it a Thriller, or deciding between Psychological or Supernatural Thriller. Doceirias (talk) 08:57, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

The sources make good sense to me. But while you may think it is one type of genre and not another doesn't mean that it your POV isn't original research. That is why you should find and use sources whenever you can. That is the only way you can deal with genre disputes. All the sources places it in the Mystery genre and three out of the four lists it as either Fantasy or Drama. Those are the genres you have to go with until you do a more extensive survey of the major encyclopedia and review sites. --Farix (Talk) 21:26, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Common sense can lead us to consensus on this. We don't need to source it until consensus has proven impossible. It looks to me like we were pretty close to consensus until you joined the discussion; you actually not agree with the genre proposals we've made? Doceirias 18:27, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Original research is still original research even if the "consensus" of a couple of editors says that the original research is ok. --Farix (Talk) 18:32, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I think you're interpreting the policy a little broadly - unless identifying the genre as Thiller, Psychological Thiller, or Supernernatural Thriller is going to be a source of contention, it is nor more original research than deciding which are the main characters.

I feel like policy should be cited as a way to solve an argument, but in this place there was no argument - unless you have one. All you've actually accomplished is to move us away from the goal we'd almost achieved by Wikilawyering. I know you meant well, but policy is designed to end deadlock, not create it. Doceirias 04:01, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

If the genre is going to become a point of contention (look at what happened in Why is "Ranma" a harem series) then a source stating the genres should be found. But not ANN or imdb or any other site with user-submitted content. Editors at user-submitted sites, like Wikipedia, sometimes go crazy with genres. Look at Kite (film) ("Drama, Thriller, Crime, Animation, Psychological, Film Noir") and Noir (anime) ("Mystery, Action, Heroic bloodshed, Adventure, Drama, Neo-noir"). ANN's Mushishi entry has it as an "Adventure, Drama, Fantasy, Horror, Mystery, Psychological, Supernatural" series while Monster is "Drama, Historical, Horror, Mystery, Police, Psychological".

In Death Note's case, "Supernatural thriller" would do nicely.--Nohansen 20:03, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure what the argument against calling this a supernatural thriller is. Do they not know the definition of thriller. Look it up I'm sure you will find most of the genre categories mentioned and by adding supernatural to it you put in the rest.

Japanese DVD Figures

Since I cannot fix it, I would like to point out that DVD 12 "Includes Takada Figure" and not Matsuda. The information that the 13th DVD Includes "King of Shinigami" Figure is even more unreliable, since this character was never seen on the show, but only mentioned. Also, the description of the 2nd DS game, "L o Tsugumono", says that its story covers the 2nd arc, but it actually starts with Raye Penber's death.--200.145.157.31 (talk) 14:22, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

While the editor who tried this recently spelled the word incorrectly, I think they had the right idea calling them "figurines" instead of "figures"?

Dictionary.com definitions:

Figurine: a small ornamental figure of pottery, metal, plastic, etc.; statuette.

Figure (the closest of its 38 definitions): a representation, pictorial or sculptured, esp. of the human form: The frieze was bordered with the figures of men and animals.

Frozen North. (talk) 20:40, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

False information?

Could someone please check this information under the L character information?

"L has a secret relationship with a girl named Shenko {{|real name: Cassidy}} who does not appear in the anime, manga, and/or the live action movie. They are compleatly head over heels for one another, but it seems if an unknown sorce wants her out of the way, probably explaining her abscence in the anime, manga, and/or live-action movie."

Something tells me a silly little fangirl got a bit overboard, but I could be wrong. I mean. It is entirely possible the creators made L have a girlfriend, but omitted her in pretty much all the canon.

203.208.82.41 (talk) 01:31, 24 November 2007 (UTC)Annwyn

Wait... not in the manga, not in the anime, and not in the live action movies? Then were the hell does she appear? Maybe in the "book 13: How to read"? My opinion, delete unless someone manages to cite. --BiT (talk) 01:53, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like a hoax to me. I've only seen the anime so far, but I don't recall her even being mentioned. Is it possible that she was mentioned in the manga? Still, even if that were true, it doesn't seem like something worth mentioning here. Trivia is looked down upon these days. My guess is it was written by some girl named Cassidy who likes the name / goes by Shenko (I think this was supposed to be Senko as it is a girl's name and Shenko doesn't exist in Japanese). Definitely delete it - oh, it's already been done. --Eruhildo (talk) 23:22, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I totally agree with Eruhildo. 'Shenko' is not found in any Death Note media of any kind.-C. Hinton —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.172.21.1 (talk) 16:59, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Fonts

what kind of font is used in the "L", "M", and "N"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiDragon295 (talk • contribs) 22:34, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Which "L" "M" and "N"?--Sunny910910 ^{(talk|Contributions)} 00:26, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

As in the aliases "L" Lawliet, "M" Mello, and "N" Near.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 04:22, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

yes, those ones —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.130.201.83 (talk) 00:15, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

It's the Blackletter font, commonly mistaken for Old English (it's in my computer as that). Is this important to the article somehow? Remember this is not a forum. --Deepraine (talk) 22:47, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

thx —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.130.201.83 (talk) 03:34, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

You can also use Cloister Black.209.91.61.239 (talk) 07:32, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Pilot?

I just noticed there is no information on the Death Note pilot, the one with the bullied kid who finds the Death Note and uses the Death Eraser and such. Shouldn't something about it be added to the article? Jaimeastorga2000 (talk) 21:58, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

It would seem to be a good thing to add, additional information can't really hurt. Was this the manga pilot or the anime pilot? I remember seeing the manga one somewhere, but I don't believe it's been released out of Japan, right? --Deepraine (talk) 15:21, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

The manga pilot is available here. http://toriyamaworld.com/various/ I don't think there was an anime pilot. Jaimeastorga2000 (talk) 03:38, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

False Rules

I removed the False Rules section. This is under the context that it is:

• spoiler section
• purely plot, it doesn't actually effect the Death Note itself
• WP:NOT#PLOT
• notes about how the Death Note works are needed to establish the concept of show, but not details like the 'false rules'
• the 'false rules' are not believed by anyone other then the characters, so no need to disprove
• and maybe some other stuff I forgot

Before restoring them, please explain why it is WP:Encyclopedia -- Signed by Wolvereness^{t c} 08:11, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

L's Real Name

On the front page, it says that L's real name is Michael Jackson. Can someone change this? ((Unless...))

99.235.120.40 (talk) 04:09, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Pretty mundane vandalism. It's already been reverted. JuJube (talk) 12:11, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Isn't L's real name just "Lawliet" and not L. Lawliet? Wouldn't it make more sense to put his name in as "'L' Lawliet" instead of "L. Lawliet" as it is right now? Just a convention thing. 69.22.77.224 (talk) 23:25, 29 December 2007 KS Dec 0769.22.77.224 (talk) 23:25, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh, another thing. Since there seems to be some degree of dispute and/or inconsistency about this (the DN characters page lists L as just Lawliet instead of L.Lawliet), I would like to point out that the other people in the series like Mello and Near who assume pseudonyms have normal real names. Near even calls himself by the single letter N, but his name is clearly just Nate River. Not N. Nate River. I should think this provides evidence enough to change all the L. Lawliet s out there to L. :) KS Dec 200769.22.77.224 (talk) 06:08, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Woops I meant "Lawliet" KS 69.22.77.224 (talk) 06:08, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't. Making assumptions like that constitutes original research. JuJube (talk) 06:12, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

So the assumption that his name is L.Lawliet is not original research? They both seem to be assumptions. One seems more consistent with cannon then the other.70.125.132.204 (talk) 15:44, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

It is not original research because it states in the Death Note How to Read 13 that is name is, in fact, L Lawliet. I haven't read it but I'm pretty sure his first name is L without a dot. Creative parents :P Amtyo (talk) 01:30, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

I have read it and it is, and I quote, "L Lawliet". This spelling is in both the character profile and the sealed packet. Since the packet is a stylization of the Shinigami Eyes, we can determine that "L Lawliet" is his true name, the one needed to kill him. 71.90.41.50 (talk) 20:20, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

The dates?

In the infobox it says October 4th as the day it was first aired and in the text (4.4 Anime) it says October 3rd?

Shinigami

In the article, I quote:

"The first movie, simply titled Death Note, focused on episodes 1-9. There were minor changes in character names and terminology, such as the Shinigami being called Reapers, as well as some major changes regarding how the story plays out."

Actually "Reapers" is not a change, the word Shinigami is used in the movie which means death god or a reaper. It was the translator or whomever subtitled the movie that changed the term between the series. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cometarrow (talk • contribs) 13:45, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree that Light clearly calls them "Shinigami" in the movie. Furthermore, would it not be better to relate the scope of the movie to the original manga chapters instead of the anime series? Frozen North. (talk) 02:53, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Death Note How to Read 13 has been released in English - Use this as a source to add real world information

VIZ Media has released Death Note How to Read 13 in English: http://www.viz.com/products/products.php?series_id=827

This book contains real world info about the series, and it can be used to establish separate articles for Light, L, and Misa. WhisperToMe (talk) 20:11, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

If you click on http://www.viz.com/products/products.php?product_id=7228 you'll see that it's going to be released February 19th =/ It's still soon enough though. Do you know if there's going to a special edition that has extra stuff like figures and tarot cards?209.91.61.239 (talk) 07:27, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure, but I preordered the book so that when it comes out I will take it and use it. I'll get some Rurouni Kenshin with it so that all of the Kenshin standalone articles have development info. WhisperToMe (talk) 21:31, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I got the book :) WhisperToMe (talk) 20:43, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Wasn't there supposed to be 51 episodes?

Does anyone have a source as to why there are only 37 episodes? I could have sworn that there were originally 51 episodes planned.209.91.61.239 (talk) 07:30, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Are you sure? I remember the plans for 37 episodes from back before they started airing. Besides, to make fifty-one episodes, they'd have to ridiculously embellish the series, even add fillers. And let me tell you, I find the anime more enjoyable because unlike the manga, it's not embellished.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 23:16, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I think he's confusing Death Note with Fullmetal Alchemist, which does have 51 episodes. --Stip45 (talk) 19:35, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Wow, how pathetic are you, if this is your form of entertainment?

Someone want to clean up the mess that whoever the heck edited this page last made? (NeoAC (talk) 23:28, 16 January 2008 (UTC))

• I'm pretty sure I reverted all the vandalism. You might want to do that yourself from now on, instead of merely making a note here - any vandals aren't going to care about your comments here. Tanthalas39 (talk) 23:30, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Catholic Response

This manga but more forcefully the movie version of it have been denounced by several Japanese Catholic bishops as promoting a negative stereotype of Catholics. They specifically object to the Catholic character Naomi having a gun, using violence, lying, and killing both a victim and herself. They also state that it would not be possible for someone to find out information about someone registered at a Church in the way that Light does in the movie. The Church in Japan is actually very protective about member information due to the severe pursecution the Church has recieved still within living memory. Catholic in Japan feel that the film promotes acts of violence against Catholics. Some Catholics blame the movie for the actions of a gunman that killed Five Catholics in Nagasaki prefecture in December 2007.

It is a belief, perhaps not widlly held, among some Catholic teenagers that if the Death Note were real that it couldn't affect a Catholic. Thus they object to the story as a basic religious impossibilty that borders on an insult.

I don't know if this is noteworthy enough for inclusion in the article but by all means look into it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.221.205.60 (talk) 14:42, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Do you know where we could find a news article or anything similar to cite this?—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 17:35, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

The idea that Catholics are spared of the Death Note effects runs very much at odds with the manga canon itself; it is never mentioned or even slightly hinted to, despite numerous occasions when by logic it should have been if it did exist att all. Luis Dantas (talk) 17:56, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

That's all good and well, but this refers to the real-world reception of Death Note, not in-universe canon. —Dinoguy1000 18:05, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Huh? Real-world reception of a fully fictional concept with no true counterpart in real life? Color me confused. Luis Dantas (talk) 10:03, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Per the first comment of this discussion (which I paraphrase for lack of an alternate/better source), the thought that Catholics could not be harmed by the Death Note – assuming it were a real object – is one held by a small number of Japanese Catholic teenagers, and is very much a real world belief, having no mention, confirmation, or denial in-universe. —Dinoguy1000 18:43, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

For that matter, in Death Note heaven and hell do not exist. ALL humans eventually die, and ANY human may kill ANY human with the Death Note. WhisperToMe (talk) 19:34, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Christian References

"L" is based on the messiah:
[John 1:18] «No one has ever seen» L but, because anyone was match for Kyra, L «has made him known» to take of that personally.
[John 6:60] L was intelligent yet controversial for all the people around even for his followers and many cops deserted him, at the begging, for his hard teaching/investigating methods.
[John 6:70]. He formed new disciples (half of the original if we count with Kyra) to help in the cause/investigation but this Kyra who was the last "disciple" to get in the group was a traitor like Judas. L also thought to his followers how to protect themselves from the evil Kyra.
[John 13:5-30] > "L" washed Kyra's feet just before reaching his time, even knowing that he could be his killer.
[John 12:24] > "L" have to die (sacrificed) to «produces many seeds» in order to his investigation/cause continued, this time, through "M" and "N"
If it wasn't for the spoilers it should be referred that death note took many references to the Christianity (the apples (representation of the fruit of sin from genesis), many images from the the 1st season opening (like Kyra trying to be a god), etc.Newsblade (talk) 12:06, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

That would be great if you could find a verifiable source for it, otherwise it's just so much original research, which has no place on Wikipedia. —Dinoguy1000 18:52, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

WE HAVE A CHAPTER 109!!!!

Sorry for the overly Cap-ed title... I just felt like being silly. Anyway, this week a Oneshot manga chapter was released-though whether or not its technically a Chapter 109 is debatable, it should definitely be noted. Yes, the chapter was written by the Author, and it isn't some strange fan thing.70.146.188.33 (talk) 00:47, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

**SPOILERS**

You mean that chapter included in How To Read? The article gets most of what the chapter's all about wrong, and the chapter itself contradicts a number of rules founded in the canon, such as Ryuk giving the new "Kira" (if you could even call him that- he's a grade schooler writing in his newfound "diary") an eraser that brings people back to life that were killed by the Death Note, the infinite pages in the Death Note rule was taken out (instead, the owner must ask the shinigami for another Death Note), the 40-second rule of effect no longer applies (deaths happened instantaneously), and last but most importantly, Ryuk being completely out of character; he chooses to stay with the former Kira, even though this Kira destroyed his Death Note! Ryuk most likely would have just took off and left, citing the kid as "boring." Also, the police in this chapter have no recollection of any "Kira," even though Kira went public in the second arc and everyone knew he killed with mostly heart attacks.

**END SPOILERS**

I believe this article (or one of its sub articles) should reflect these contradictions. 139.182.8.42 (talk) 19:02, 15 February 2008 (UTC) (AKA SuperDT)

No, he means the One-Shot that was released last week about a new Kira. Rau J16 19:57, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Suggestion: Remove the "since Lights death" from the topic on the one shot manga. Its a major spoiler. Could be replaced with "since the end, or the final battle" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.30.6.101 (talk) 01:43, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

WP:SPOIL. We're not going to remove content because somebody might get spoiled. Also, 139.182.8.42, that chapter was a pilot. As with many other pilots, many elements were changed for the actual series.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 01:49, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

English How to Read 13 changes names

The names of Mary Kenwood, Sidoh and Gelus have been used in HTR 13 in English INSTEAD of their Japanese romanizations. Also Matsuda's name is written as "Touta" in the English HTR. Also Misa has a strange looking bikini on the page introducing the 4-koma, so that MAY have been edited. WhisperToMe (talk) 20:06, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I am pretty certain that the manga trumps all on a matter like this. For information on the Edglish article of Death Ntoe, the official English translation should be used. Not a "How To" book. Rau J16 22:50, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

The Japanese "How to Book" (Actually a character guide) had the original names but the English "How to Book" has a few of them changed. I am fine with changing the names to the English names. WhisperToMe (talk) 22:54, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

This isn't the Japanese "How to Book", its the English one. I say use the ones that appear in the English version of the manga, thats the official translation. Rau J16 23:27, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

The English version of How to Read is published by the same people as the English version of the manga, and equally official. The only question would arise in cases where the English version of the manga and the English version of How to Read disagree, but I don't think anyone's suggesting they did. We should go with the official English version. Doceirias (talk) 23:45, 24 February 2008 (UTC)