Talk:Dear Comrade

Gross

@Cyphoidbomb: Sir, this source says a collection of 33 crores and this one reports 37 crores. Since the two comes from different sources, FirstPost and IBT, and are only separated by a few months, I put it in a range as per WP:ICTF guidelines. Is it OK or the newer one from IBT should be kept? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 07:26, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: Cannot understand why you think they are inconsistent with each other, Firstpost explicitly says opening weekend, and we are only conerned about final gross in the infobox. I'd prefer sources published several months after the film's release because there are less chances of misreporting when all the hype dies down. --Ab207 (talk) 07:34, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

@Ab207: That's because, the previously used IBT source for the opening weekend listed only 30 crores [1], while the FirstPost for the opening weekend listed 33 crores (linked above). That's a lot of inconsistency between these two sources. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 07:43, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: That's exactly my point, disregard the opening weekend. We should only bother when the final gross reported by FP and IBT are inconsistent. I'd recommend you look at Talk:Maharshi (2019 film) to see how unsettled these early reporting can be. --Ab207 (talk) 07:50, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

@Ab207: Since you were talking about inconsistencies, I explained the discrepancy between the two sources for the first weekend. As for keeping what, let Cyphoidbomb weigh in. If they think only IBT source need to be kept, I'll remove the FP one. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 07:56, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: Cool. --Ab207 (talk) 07:58, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Ab207: Besides, the IBT source didn't mention anywhere that it is the list of final grosses. It is merely a list of 'Highest grossing Telugu movies of the year'. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 08:01, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

I don't have a strong opinion. What's the lifespan of one of these films? If it's only a couple of weeks, then a months-later source isn't necessarily going to be more accurate. It could be, but I don't know. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 08:04, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: That's what I was thinking. Only IBT came up with a list with a higher number, but non of the other agencies (couldn't find others reporting anything after the first weekend). Considering that the IBT doesn't list it as the 'final grosses', I thought of keeping it as a range. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 08:17, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: IBT source is published on 22 Dec 2019, it is final gross for obvious reasons. Even if we assume the film had run for a week, the 3-day gross by FP is outdated. I see no reason why it should be used for infobox, and yes, if other agencies come up with a different final gross, then we can present in a range. --Ab207 (talk) 08:24, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

@Ab207: IBT gross is more recent but nothing like 'final' is mentioned in the source. Calling it the final gross is original research. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 08:27, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Oh.. and the FP source says first weekend not 3-days. It is dated 1 August 2019, film released on 26 July 2019. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 08:32, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: Yeah but it is still not final. IBT source, even assuming not final, gives an updated gross, which FP didn't. Also check out Sakshi which gave a gross of 45 crore, published on 31 December 2019. It explicitly says ఇంకా థియేటర్స్‌లో రన్‌ అవుతోంది (transl. still running in theatres) wherever required, so Dear comrade figure definitely is the final. I'd put the range between 37–45 crore. Unless FP gives an updated figure, we don't need to use in the infobox. It can be mentioned in Box office section though. --Ab207 (talk) 08:37, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

@Ab207: Sakshi, while reliable, the source can't be added IMO. It says "revenue" (as per google translate) of 45 crores. It can include BO Gross + other things. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 08:47, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: వసూళ్లు means collections, unless mentioned otherwise, it is BO alone.--Ab207 (talk) 08:54, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

@Ab207: I'm not comfortable with it. vasūḷlu, 'collections' or 'revenue' can include other things like satellite rights, etc. We need BO clearly mentioned. Coming to the issue, since Cyphoidbomb doesn't seem to have a strong opinion on this issue, I'd keep the IBT source only with explanation in the BO section. Note that IBT is not considered reliable in WIkipedia, but it is in WP:ICTF. Any other source comes with clear mention of Gross in the future, I'll add as a range. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:08, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: It's definitely not a common practice to include other revenues in Telugu films, given that those non-theatrical rights are more opaque than Box office figures. It's highly unlikey that Sakshi would do anything as such without mentioning. Consider that they cared to specify the films which are still running in theatres, which even IBT didn't bother to do. -- Ab207 (talk) 09:25, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

@Ab207: I've taken care of the IBT problem here. The Sakshi one is a different thing. Since this is an English Wikipedia and the Sakshi source is in Telugu, we can't be sure what they meant by వసూళ్లు (vasullu) or collection/revenue which can include BO with other means of revenue. If you find any English source, then you are welcome to discuss it here. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:30, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: I've gone through the article again. It specifies as box office in the very first line. సినిమా పండగను బాక్సాఫీస్‌ డిసైడ్‌ చేస్తుంది. ఎంత కలెక్షన్‌ వస్తే అంత పండగ. (transl. The festivity of a film is decided by the box office. Higher the collection, the more festive it is.)

Though English language sources are preferred, non-English cannot be rejected solely because they are not in English. Considering that this a Telugu-language film, I don't see a why a leading Telugu-language newspaper cannot be considered. -- Ab207 (talk) 09:40, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

I'd say that things can be interpreted differently in English. Can you provide an English version of the link? I'd @Cyphoidbomb, Ravensfire, Kailash29792, and DRAGON BOOSTER: to weigh in. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:56, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: Here is the English Sakshi link of the collections [2]. It seems that they report it also as 33 crores. SP013 (talk) 15:43, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: I can't seem to find it, though there's an English version of their website, the articles they publish seem to be entirely different. --Ab207 (talk) 10:10, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

@SP013 and PK743: Regularly edit Telugu film articles, they might give some input. --Ab207 (talk) 10:14, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

I think the inconsistency is because multi-lingual release, from day one trade analysts reported share figures. After the first weekend there are no many articles reported the BO stats of film. The Hans India and Deccan Herald reported the closing share figures as 21.47 crore[3][4]. Sakshi Post reported the budget to be 12 crore and theatrical rights were sold for 34 crore and the final BO collection as 33 crore.[5]. PK743 (talk) 11:57, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

@Ab207, Cyphoidbomb, PK743, and Fylindfotberserk: Yea I agree with PK743. The film was released in 4 languages and there would be multiple inconsistencies as some articles such as Sakshi might have only included the Telugu collections and not the other languages. Coming to Sakshi English their articles are completely different from Sakshi Telugu. As we have seen at Talk:Maharshi (2019 film) the collections had a difference of 40 cr so I don't think we can really find a reliable source currently on this film but we can dig more. I also saw that BookMyShow reported it as a collection of 30 cr [6]. SP013 (talk) 15:43, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

@SP013: When there is so much difference between the English version's gross (33 crore in August [7])and Telugu versions "collections" (45 crore in December [8]), it is better not to use the Telugu Sakshi source. A 12 crore extra collection from August to December is simply not possible, especially since the film is considered a disaster in the IBT source. Atleast the English SakshiPost value in the August month end is in parity with the other sources. Thanks for the link SP013- Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:00, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: I think we can all agree that this film was not a commercial success at all but I think we can have a range from 30cr-33cr or 30cr-37cr or even 33cr-37cr. SP013 (talk) 16:04, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

@SP013: Yeah a range seems preferable, specially the 33cr-37cr range. The 33 cr being supported by the First Post source mentioned in my first comment. Although, I've removed the FP source for now from the infobox. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:16, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: I think we can also add Sakshi English as a source since they also reported that it was 33cr. SP013 (talk) 16:19, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

@SP013: Yup. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:37, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Still disagree with discarding the Sakshi Telugu source with ever-changing reasons. I don't intend to push it any further though, taking it as no consensus to include it. Fylindfotberserk, I feel glad to have such an in-depth discussion with an experienced editor like you. Hope I didn't bother you with my stubbornness . See you later! -- Ab207 (talk) 19:14, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

@Ab207: You are most welcome man. I like discussions like these. Nice to have a good editor like you. . - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 19:19, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! --Ab207 (talk) 19:42, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Good… brought out the problem of anger management really well!

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