Talk:Dead Again (Type O Negative album)

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Hi, any reference to what language Peter is singing on some of these tracks?24.57.126.37 (talk) 03:22, 15 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Hey guys, lets try and follow the standard conventions of a talk page by signing our comments and formatting the page per usual guidelines. --NeoVampTrunks 05:43, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.decibelmagazine.com/features/apr2007/typeonegative.aspx I know he's fond of a joke, but this just isn't funny.

There is no evidence online that Peter Steele converted to Christianity. If there is, I could not find it and there is no link listed by the original author of the article to prove it.

With Regards to the above, I too had trouble believing it. Though I did not write the original article, there is evidence in support of it, in an interview here - http://toazted.com/interview/1064/Type-O-Negative.html - (during the second part of the interview pete clearly states that he is a Christian) and another here - http://www.releasemagazine.net/ -(An interview with the band that mentions Pete Steele's struggle to write lyrics and quotes him as saying "[abortion is] against my Catholic faith").

Also, see the cover Decibel magazine here; http://typeonegative.net/index.php The text "Jail, Jokes and Jesus" also hints at Peter's faith.

Hey. I edited a theme post I felt jumped to conclusions and could have been vastly expanded on, to come back the next day to find the earlier post glowering at me and the revision comment "Reverted back to week old text. Recent changes reflected one fans opinion and were too subjective." Okay. Here's my side.

Old post: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dead_Again_%28Type_O_Negative_album%29&oldid=117124402 My post: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dead_Again_%28Type_O_Negative_album%29&oldid=116975825

Too subjective? I edited the older one because IT was terribly subjective. "All but two songs reference Christianity" is subjective, and even were it true, it's irrelevant because Type O Negative (and every other metal band in existence) has always used Christian imagery. The statement that "Dead Again" is written in a christian "light" is not only an overstretch to try to fit into the "hey, he wrote christian songs" idea that is introduced, but completely unfounded (read the lyrics). Everything I wrote was culled from interviews of Steele and other Type O members, and the song lyrics themselves (and I am hardly one for out-there interpretations). "predicts the coming Christian Armageddon" is introduced as another example of a supposed christian turn in direction, but ranting about the apocalypse is classic metal band territory. "Profit of Doom" is more of a turn toward Slayer than Christ. Steele just got clever and added the asteroid on top of the old "we're all going to die" template.

Of the album's songs the only overtly "Christian" song is "These Three Things". Of course, there is mention of "heaven and hell", but you have to remember Type O Negative is a metal band owing heavily to Black Sabbath. A metal band preaching the apocalypse Christian does not make. Even the mention of Adam and Eve in "An Ode to Locksmiths" is not exclusively christian.

My point overall is that the lyrical content of any of the songs on Dead Again could have been on earlier albums, except "These Three Things". With the criteria for "christian-themed" apparently used, any number of metal albums could be considered Christian. The line "my god helps those who help themselves" from Life is Killing Me's "IYDKMIGHKY" makes more of a religious statement than anything on the "christian-themed" Dead Again, again save "These Three Things". Therefore, when seen in context with the rest of Type O Negative's work and heavy metal in general, making the statement that 8 of the 10 songs on Dead Again are Christian themed is blatantly misleading.

I simply added to the level of detail using solid evidence from interviews and deleted unneeded detail (because while it could be deemed relevant to a band article that a song is about the Apophis asteroid, its projected chances of hitting the earth in two different forms is not).

The earlier post jumped to unfounded conclusions (like "Halloween in Heaven", which features a line about Jesus trick-or-treating as Satan, being indicative of Steele's "rediscovery of faith"). Mine did not. I can readily back up all of my "subjective" information. The earlier poster cited no sources.

I figured my rewrite would kill two birds with one stone: bring a much higher-definition picture of what the album is about and rework misleading information. I believe I accomplished this.

David, 3/23/7

PS: oh, and for anyone who wants to put it up, Dead Again is currently #12 on the Hard Attack chart.

'The Profit of Doom'

Looking at the back cover of the CD, this song is clearly labeled 'The Profit of Doom' -- singular. I edited the track name in the listing on the page, and removed the reference saying that it was commonly mis-typed as 'Profits' since the definitive source of the song title should be the cover art of the album in question. --68.39.187.136 05:38, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Go to the website (typeonegative.net), iTunes, and Amazon for starters and see that it is in fact commonly "disputed" and written as "Profits" in several other instances. Logical Defense 19:45, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Regardless, should the spelling on the album itself not be considered the official spelling? I won't make any further edits to the article, as someone will undoubtedly just change it back again, but shouldn't it read something like, "Although the song is called 'The Profits of Doom' on the band's official website, the album art lists it as 'The Profit of Doom'"? In any case, I'm done with the issue. --66.202.1.140 02:04, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I understand your point but at the same time the jacket itself shouldn't be considered the end all be all. Let's not forget "Cinnamon Girl" was mispelled on the jacket for October Rust as well. Logical Defense 05:23, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, on purpose. Using Amazon and iTunes as points of reference over the CD itself is pretty misguided, as they constantly have errors. The website listing appears to be generated from Itunes as well and probably should not be taken as gospel. If nothing else, the fact that it is written as "Profit" should be noted on the main page, rather than a vague "many instances." It's not really that "interesting" since it is what is on the CD. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.112.5.124 (talk) 16:40, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You shot down my iTunes and Amazon references (which are only the couple I bothered writing, mind you), but what you to say about the official website I mentioned, too? Not to argue right vs wrong, I'm just bringing it up for sake of discussion. It seems that even the official source hasn't declard one over the other, so the comment in the article is still pretty valid. As for the October Rust thing, whether or not that was "on purpose" is highly questionable. Logical Defense 18:00, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Peter Steele's Death

I can't include the fact that he died, and it's the band's final album with him... why? Pretty stupid, if you ask me. It has been confirmed that he suffered heart failure, yesterday. And I feel that the article should state that it's the band's final album with him, before this happened. If it's a matter of whether or not people think this is true, look it up for yourselves. There is proof. He is gone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.60.132.121 (talk) 18:54, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It is the final Type O Negative studio album released during Peter Steele's lifetime. That does not mean that he will appear on the band's next album, if there is one. Therefore, it can't be asserted yet that this is Peter Steele's last musical output with Type O Negative. There isn't an official announcement of their splitting up either. We'll see what happens. RIP Peter Steele. Backtable _{Speak to me}^{concerning my deeds.} 00:57, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Does that mean you'll go back and put "second-to-last" for LIKM, "third-to-last" for WCD, &c? I miss the guy, too -- terribly -- but until the band releases anything without him, does it make sense to point out that this album was that last with him?--Perplexed 03:16, 3 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Perplexed (talk • contribs)

I may have mistyped in the above comment. Also, it would not make sense to put second-to-last ect. to the other albums. I'm not the one adding those, if that's what you're wondering. But yeah, it doesn't make sense to post such unverified material on the other pages. Backtable _{Speak to me}^{concerning my deeds.} 03:34, 3 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]