Talk:De Monroy
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[edit]This is false information. The cited information now contains reference from the Dictionary of American Family Names on the actual surname Monroy.
Citing Roy without realizing that the dictionary actually has Monroy as an entry tries to pass the name off as something it is not.
Dictionary of American Family Names (1 ed.)
Publisher: Oxford University Press
Print ISBN-13:9780195081374
"Spanish: habitational name from Monroy (‘red mountain’), a place in Cáceres province."
Oxford Reference, which has no mention of French, Scottish origins as it is not derived from Roy. The same occurrence happens with surnames like "Pomeroy" where you would assume that you see "Pome" & "Roy" it is not. Knight De Roy (talk) 12:14, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
The sources that you add only say that there is a city in Spain called Monroy, a city that Wikipedia also has an article on, but your sources do not say that the etymology Mon and Roy are Spanish, you say that it means red mountain, in Spanish mountain is monte or montaña and red is rojo, it is not mon roy. The sources you cite may be academic, but they are wrong, because the only mention they make is of the city of Monroy, a city that has an etymology that is not Spanish, because it was founded by non-Spanish foreigners, which which is mentioned in the sources you debunk.
The surname Monroy has a city in Spain, because it was created by people of another origin, but the etymology of said surname is not Spanish. In Germany there was a family that bore the surname Monroy, and to say that it is a Spanish surname would be to assume that they were Spaniards who came to live in that country. In the same article that I will leave you as a source, it is specified that they were descendants of French Huguenots Protestants, which is why they were not Spanish, I leave you the German Wikipedia article with your own external sources.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monroy_(Adelsgeschlecht)
Some references about the French Huguenots with Monroy last name:
https://www.hugenotten.de/gesellschaft/_pdf/03-2008.pdf
https://www.hugenotten.de/gesellschaft/_pdf/04-2015.pdf
http://hugenottenbibliothek.de/detail.php?lang=de&id=826 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patodonald1818 (talk • contribs) 19:46, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
Heraldrys Institute of Rome:
https://www.heraldrysinstitute.com/lang/es/cognomi/Monroy/idc/709770/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patodonald1818 (talk • contribs) 20:13, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
A spanish source about the French origin of Monroy:
Historical-Cultural Association El Bezudo Monroy (Cáceres) Asociación Histórico-Cultural El Bezudo Monroy (Cáceres), the City of Monroy
https://www.asociacionelbezudo.com/historia.htm
Translation to English: https://www-asociacionelbezudo-com.translate.goog/historia.htm?_x_tr_sl=es&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=es-419&_x_tr_pto=wapp
The Placentine Blas Xil de Ocampo in his manuscript on the Monroy lineage, National Library sig. 2242 of 1650, traces the origin of this surname, like many ancient chroniclers, to the descendants of Vigil de Monroy, National Library of Spain, Hispanic Digital Library (Biblioteca Nacional de España, Biblioteca Digital Hispánica) TitlePrinciple of the noble and illustrious ancient lineage of the Monroyes and their origin and prosapia [Manuscript] Date between 1601 and 1700? Edition data 17th century Type of Document Manuscript Physical description 272 h.:il.;21x17cm by Blas Gil de Ocampo and other texts on the lineage of the Monroyes and the life of Alonso de Monroy:
https://bdh.bne.es/bnesearch/detalle/bdh0000087013
On page 5 of this old manuscript there is a reference to a French nobleman named Monroy who received refuge from King Pelayo of Spain. The city of Monroy in Spain is derived from this French knight, a city founded by a Frenchman.
http://bdh-rd.bne.es/viewer.vm?id=0000087013&page=1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patodonald1818 (talk • contribs) 23:32, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
Regarding Pomeroy, I have found that it is an English surname with certain French origins, derived from Norman English. The fact that there are not enough sources does not mean that Monroy is a Spanish surname, although it has quite a distribution in Spain, it also has distribution in the United States, South America, Central America, other countries and Italy, but its etymology origin is not Spanish, It's simple logic. In Spain there is the surname Borbón, which derives from Borbone in French, however it is not originally a Spanish surname, it is a surname of French origin, even if the monarchs were born in Spain or speak Spanish. It is something similar to the example that I am trying to give you, at the same time it is against Wikipedia's rules to delete sources from an article, I do not delete the sources that you add, and even with the sources that you add, these sources do not explain that it is a Spanish etymology, they only talk about the municipality of Monroy, which arose with that name by non-Spanish immigrants, something that one of my sources says, academic or not, says something that other sources do not say.
About of academic sources, this encyclopedia too use sources of religions, governments and companies, and these not always must academic, but is possible complement the academic sources with other type of sources, because when exist information about a government or religion not always everything is 100% academic.
Thank you for your message.
A cordial greeting.--Patodonald1818 (talk) 18:20, 16 October 2024 (UTC)