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Linking to characters?

This show isn't nearly popular enough to merit linking to nonexistent character pages. I move that we take those links out. SnappingTurtle 17:24, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, so I did it. Darquis 21:15, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What a silly argument. Is Wikipedia running out of space? IceHunter 17:12, 20 November 2006 (UTC) (says, give us a signature shortcut which is easy to type on non american keyboards)[reply]

No, but the guideline is that fictional characters are generally covered in the article on the fictional work, not in their own article. It's a better structure for the encyclopedia, regardless of space issues.--Srleffler 21:07, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why did someone revert the picture from the "Main Character section"? --Ahkat 05:47, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Groundhog day

Not to be mean or anything, but i really think that this is a tv remake of the ever-popular movie Groundhog Day.

Just because it has the same premise does not mean that it is a remake, not by a long shot. So don't try to say anything of the sort please. TostitosAreGross 02:42, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hello?? OP, they specifically say its inspired by that movie, to forestall whines no doubt. But Groundhog Day wasn't the first time ever to do timeloops. IceHunter 17:14, 20 November 2006 (UTC) (says, give us a signature shortcut which is easy to type on non american keyboards)[reply]

Even though it has the timeloop plot ala Groundhog Day, there are some original elements such as Hopper retaining injuries from the previous day and, as shown in the last episode, certain events may be changed based on his actions. - SPKx 15:22, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

TBH, this is an obvious flaw in the perception of the show. And hurt the audience draw, no argument.
It did take the basic premise of GHD and went in a very very different, much more dramatic/action direction, and it made the show nothing short of brilliant. Its biggest problem, honestly, was the idiot network delayed its premiere to something like mid-November (2 months after the typical "September" opening of shows) and thus the audiences already had their "new shows to watch" and never really gave it a chance. Much the same complaint -- "derivative idea" -- could be said of Journeyman which seemed to be a riff on Quantum Leap, but was actually much much better than that "Mary Worth" format show. Another similar one was Person of Interest, which initially came off as another "Mary Worth" show, in the same vein as any of the Septuagenarian shows ("Matlock", "Murder She Wrote") and the direct MW shows, "Early Edition", "Touched by an Angel", etc. Person of Interest became an SF battle of Good AI vs. Bad AI. All three of those shows are highly recommended for watching.
--OBloodyHell (talk) 22:38, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Day Synopsis / Summary

For this particular show, it might be interesting to make a link for an explanation of each day and it's differences or even what Brett discovers, as well as an episode guide. What say you all? I would certain be up for helping out. A

Well, I don't know if we need more than one article yet... I do agree that summaries by day makes sense so far. But that does not conflict with "episode guide" at this point -- everything is linear so far (linearly looping)... So far we have two episodes and four days, so the eps can just be sub-divided into days.69.87.194.175 00:04, 22 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Found summaries for episodes 7 and 8 (What If He's Not Alone & What If She's Lying). Need opinion on whether to put those on the episode page since they have not aired yet. --Onw1k1 01:18, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

just put them up. They are available on public websites, and just make them a sentence or two with the general summary of the episode. People can see the unaired next to the episode and decide for themselves if they want to read it Grande13

If you put them up, just make sure you cite sources for the summaries. --Milo H Minderbinder 15:37, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Synopsis of individual episodes: These belong to the other article entitled "List of Day Break Episodes and not in the main article synopsis." -Onw1k1

13 Hours

The page says its a 13 hour miniseries but only 12 episodes are listed.

The first episode was two hours, making both 13 hours and 12 episodes correct. Doug A Scott ^{(4 8 15 16 23 42)}

The first episode was one hour long, not two. There was two episodes shown on the night.

Thirteen episodes seems long to be considered a miniseries. Many regular series are canceled before they reach 13 episodes. BuffaloChip97 06:23, 18 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'd say the difference here is that this is a short story arc that is designed to end after 13 episodes... unlike series that are canceled after three shows, which are designed to continue onward but don't get the chance. --Psiphiorg 17:26, 18 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

well, this is a series supposed to last only until lost kicks in so let's hope they won't ludicruously prolong it like they did with lost and many others.

The show was ridiculously delayed until mid-November, 2 months after audiences had already set their viewing choices of "new shows". It never had any chance. --OBloodyHell (talk) 22:42, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I read that if the show is renewed for a second season it will feature a different looping day than this one (i.e. one day a season) - SPKx 15:23, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merging Episodes into Main Article

I'm putting merge notices on the episode articles, suggesting merging them into this main article on the show. There are Wikipedia guidelines on this in the WP:FIC and Wikipedia:Centralized discussion/Television episodes. --Pigman (talk • contribs) 20:30, 24 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

pliz dont. its better that way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.165.146.90 (talk • contribs)

Assuming this only runs 12 episodes, which looks likely, I don't think it makes sense to have 12 different episode pages. I'd support a merge with a brief summary of each episode. --Milo H Minderbinder 15:43, 25 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I for one would prefer to have each episode summarized in its entirety, with each on its own page, same as the pilot. I missed the November 22nd viewing (episode 3) and was hoping to read what happened so I would not be confused watching episode 4. But alas, no one has written one yet, and that two-sentence summary doesn't quite cut it. If anyone is willing to put up a semi-detailed synopsis, I would appreciate it. - Dan, 26 Nov 06

Wikipedia is not intended to be a message board. Detailed summaries are also not really supposed to be included. The preferred length for summaries is a paragraph or two. Please read the links I put up at the top of this section. --Pigman (talk • contribs) 20:47, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Episode summaries are specifically not supposed to be a substitute for watching the show. I'm sure there's a summary online somewhere, but you can just watch the whole episode on ABC's website. --Milo H Minderbinder 15:34, 27 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

plz dont. just leave it this way.

I'm sorry to disappoint you with this but there are Wikipedia guidelines about how to handle episodes of TV shows. I'm currently working on some other projects, keeping me from tackling it myself, or I'd start doing it now. Again, sorry. --Pigman (talk • contribs) 19:58, 27 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

no, he's right. if something works well, why try to broke it?

Even if this series is only running for 13 episodes, a 2 paragraph summary (estimated, probably more would be required due to the complexities and the multiple plot time lines in each episode) for each one of them would total up to an additional 26 paragraphs. This would make this article huge and I have yet to see a single other television show without separate pages for each episode. Also Wikipedia:Centralized discussion/Television episodes says this about pages for each episode:

Once there's enough independently verifiable information included about individual episodes, spin the information from episodes out into their own articles.

Wengero 03:11, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

yeah, right. that's the spirit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.32.1.82 (talk • contribs)

There are tons of shows that don't have individual articles for each episode. Heard of Grey's Anatomy? If episode summaries make the article too long, they can always be split onto a second page that just has the episode summaries. Wikipedia guidelines generally discourage making a separate article for each episode of a TV show, although it is often ignored. I think this is a perfect example of when to follow it. --Milo H Minderbinder 14:38, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

fight'em guys. don't let'em win :P

I agree with the proposal to merge the individual episode articles either into the main article or into a second episode summary article. I also support the proposal to greatly prune the summaries. Per Wikipedia guidelines, long and detailed summaries do not belong here. At most a few paragraphs per episode is appropriate.--Srleffler 21:11, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

For those who want to merge the individual episode articles into the main article, how do you explain the highly detailed Lost recaps like this one? They also contain scene by scene descriptions. Is it because Lost is more popular? If you're going to merge these pages, you should be consistent and submit a similar request there too. The nature of the show (and Lost) means that people are going to be scrutinizing over the details of each episode, which I believe merits giving each of them their own article. Jschuur 03:14, 3 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, why would we merge them? This is a complicated series, people might want to catch up or figure something out, it would just be making things harder. Maybe if the pages were small summaries, but no, they are long and detailed. Definetly do not merge. Puppet125 02:35, 7 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

yeah, don't merge. sorry, folks, it seems you lost :P -- (unsigned)

I would oppose merging on the basis that this is a sufficiently complex series that it requires detailed explanation of each episode. If folks want to contribute this information, it's helpful to have. However, if the show is cancelled and additional episodes are never aired, it becomes impossible to determine the final planned outcome. In this case, no amount of documentation will make the narrative able to be understood (due to the amount of missing data and unresolved plot points, such as Rita's involvement or lack thereof). -- Slordak 03:49, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, I respectfully disagree, as one, yes, this is a complex show, two, it would make the main article seem longer, look at the Hell's Kitchen (US Series) page, it has the episode list in the article, and even 11 episodes listed makes it a bit long.. Just my thoughts.. Illyria05 (Talk • Contributions) 03:27, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't merge the episodes! That would ruin my day almost as much as when the show was taken off the air. My reasons have mostly all been stated by other users. I would also add that I found it really helpful to use the summaries to refresh my memory on past episodes before catching up on the new ones on the net. Thanks for your time. JovianMoon 18:19, 14 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What If He Can Change the Day

I changed the capitalization to a lower case "the" - that's the way it's officially listed on the ABC website. [1] If you have reason to believe it should be different, please discuss it here. --Milo H Minderbinder 15:15, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please Don't Merge

Please keep the separate articles for each episode. This show is all about details. It is a puzzle, like a video game. If the articles are merged the details will be lost. (And in the grand wikipedia tradition, there are no useful links to other places where the episodes are summarized/analyzed in detail. This has nothing to do with any theoretical access to the total shows themselves. If you have any good links, maybe you'll be allowed to share them on this Talk page?) 69.87.200.159 22:58, 7 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

News on cancellation

Official word is that the show is canceled. Has there been any official mention on how the remaining episodes might be distributed? Theirishpianist 07:21, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

iTunes of course.

iTunes? In case you hadn't noticed, Day Break still isn't up on iTunes after a month and a half on the air. Looks like ABC don't care about it being on there. --81.159.134.234 17:06, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A New York Times arts brief indicated that ABC will stream it on ABC.com. -- Wikipedical 17:43, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Which is a shame for us UK viewers

you can alwyas use a US proxy and view the episodes online when they stream them.

How do you do that? --theDemonHog 04:17, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

if i'd tell you, i'd probably be blocked for disruption. google is your friend.

I just checked the ABC website and now the schedule says the show will be on at 10/9c on December 27th. Maybe they un-cancelled it?--Bouncy 11:14, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well what do you know, it sure does. It seems unlikely that this is just a "glitch" in their schedule script, since it's listed in a different timeslot than usual, so I'm thinking (hoping!) that maybe they've changed their minds. --ΨΦorg 12:28, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If it is the case, their PR people haven't gotten the word yet since ABC MediaNet still has the schedule for the 27th showing reruns of George Lopez. It's just like ABC to muck around like this, though, so who knows. Theirishpianist 20:18, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Should the page include news that the show is appearing on ABC's schedule yet? The cons are that the show isn't officially confirmed as being back, the schedule could be an error. The pros for putting it back on are that if we don't put the news back on, people looking here for information on the show might wrongfully think that it's not airing and wouldn't watch. Personally, I'm not going to beleive it until I see it in the schedule on Wednesday. But even so I'm in favour of putting the news that it's on the schedule back up. --Stabbey 23:27, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To be honest, I couldn't say. I just checked the on-screen program lineup on my cable system and it has no mention of the show on Wednesday. Maybe is ABC could pull their collective heads out of their asses... but that's another story for another time. Theirishpianist 06:36, 23 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've heard that the front page schedule on abc.com that shows Day Break on Wednesday is in fact an error. Oh well. --Stabbey 22:31, 23 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Lost Trust

The mission of this short fill-in show was to prove to the audience that they could trust the network to complete the story arc. They have now proved the opposite. Now they will get fewer viewers for any future shows of this genre (Lost etc). It is odd that the article contains no mention of these framing issues. 69.87.203.214 12:51, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

While probably true, it's original research unless there's an actual link which documents this. Hence, it's not able to be mentioned in the article without a source. -- Slordak 16:28, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I would not expect to include much such material if not discussed elsewhere on the Internet. But assuming it is discussed elsewhere (I think I got the idea originally on filmfodder in the context of Lost replacement, before start of Day Break broadcasts) I am generally confused about how much of what sources are needed to "qualify" for WP. 69.87.194.216 22:33, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

One example is sufficient, but it needs to be a "published" source (online or off), rather than chat room discussion or other public "chatter". Of course, if there is a lot of chat room discussion of something, that can also be worth mentioning or discussing in an article.--Srleffler 14:16, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Editing finished?

The article says that the complete series, including 7 unshown episodes have been "filmed". Assuming this is true, have they been "finish edited" -- has all the work been completed to make them a finished product, ready for viewing? 69.87.203.214 12:51, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My guess is they have been finished completely. I guess we'll find out if/when ABC releases the final episodes online. After this, it would be a wonder why anyone would return to ABC for any show... Theirishpianist 04:25, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.buddytv.com/articles/day-break/day-break-to-finish-online-2670.aspx "The good news for the small number of watchers is that ABC will continue the series to its conclusion online. Since Day Break was bought and paid for, and wrapped production earlier this month, ABC will use the series to bolster its selection of online programming." / / / "Currently, the plan is to release new episodes to the web on their usual day and time, Wednesday's at 9:00pm EST. Once editing is complete, however, the entire series may be made available on ITunes, which would allow really dedicated fans to wrap the series up even quicker."

http://blogs.pcworld.com/digitalworld/archives/2006/12/day_breaks_sun.html "...can't watch entire episodes because I'm outside of the U.S. -- despite the fact that many Canadians watch American shows on American channels anyway."

Of course, they were never going to release at the same old time slot -- they want to force us to watch the new show! And if they really do let ITunes folk buy the episodes early, it will screw the whole thing for the rest of us, since the plot details will leak out. 69.87.203.69 02:59, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Viewer numbers

Please add the viewers for each episode if you can. These data are important to the fate of the show -- why it went off the air. 69.87.203.69 02:59, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Updated viewer #s for first two courtesy of eonline.com under episode section. Onw1k1 17:20, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

6:17 AM

The time that each day starts is so iconic for this show that it should be prominent in the article. It would be good to include a photo of the digital clock radio showing this time. 69.87.201.88 13:55, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Someone edited the days/times, which were actually direct quotes from the network, to WP-standard formats. This is particularly unfortunate with regard to the iconic "6:17 AM", which should look as much like a digital clock as possible. In any event, this makes a pic that much more desireable. 69.87.203.189 16:17, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The close-up of the digital clock shows 6:17, but then it shows the change to 6:18 and Hopper wakes up. Hopper's day doesn't start until 6:18, so 6:18 is the iconic time, not 6:17. 0-0-0-Destruct-0 19:28, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

well the day for him does start at 6:17, hence http://www.tv.com/tracking/viewer.html?tid=98262&ref_id=58017&ref_type=101

but in most cases he first looks at the clock at 6:18 Grande13

Actually, isn't the pattern always the same: we get a close-up of 6:17 which changes very quickly to 6:18, and then Hopper wakes up and starts his day. Do we ever see him wake up at 6:17? I seem to recall a similar effect from Groundhog_Day_(1993_movie): we'd get a close-up of 5:59, then the radio alarm would go off at 6:00 and Bill Murray's day would start. 6:00 was iconic, not 5:59. In any case, after viewing all the episodes 6:18 is iconic for me, and when I saw 6:17 on the WP page it just didn't have the right feel. From the reference, ABC might have intended 6:17, but they also intended the show to appeal to enough people to air for 13 weeks, and they didn't get that right either. 0-0-0-Destruct-0 00:49, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In any case, I've uploaded both a 6:17 and 6:18 screenshot from the first episode if anyone decides to add it to the article: 6:17: - http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/6451/617za7.png 6:18: - http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/3977/618kn6.png

Online

They seem incredibly confused/incompetent. Episodes 3, 4, 5, and 6 are offered online. No sign of any new episode, even though Wednesday has come and gone and Thursday is half done. 192.80.65.235 18:51, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

the day break page has been taken out of the abc site.

Standardization

Well, various people are "fine-tuning" the article, refs, links, formats etc, making it more "standard", more complex, and less useful/functional. The main article has now been forcibly stripped of any notations to let readers now that there actually are a set of other articles detailing each episode. That took me a long time to discover. So let's all work together to make it as hard as possible for any other readers to discover... It appears to be forbidden to mention in an article that there is a whole category of related articles, let alone actually provide a link to the category page. 192.80.65.235 18:51, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Huh? There are links to each episode right in the "Episodes" section of the article. --Maelwys 18:55, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That's right, they are hidden right there in plain sight, and it seems to be verboten to point out that they are there! (And of course we certainly would not allow any mention of anywhere else on the internet that individual episodes were actually discussed.) 69.87.203.190 22:57, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia articles are not Web tutorials (though there may hypothetically be an article about web tutorials). Pages should not have to spell out "You can move your mouse so that the pointer on the screen points at a colored word or phrase, press then let go of the mouse button (no, not that one, the other one), and you'll be shown a completely new page." People who use the web are generally expected to know what a hyperlink is and what it does; if they don't, it's not Wikipedia's job to be the one who teaches them. The episode titles are links, which is all the information a user needs to know in order to realize they can follow the link to find another article. --ΨΦorg 23:09, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well said. The links are obviously links, I don't know how much more clear it could be. --Milo H Minderbinder 23:17, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The rules of this game are that I am supposed to try to believe that you are trying to do the right thing... So I suppose I should try to ignore your attempts to be snide, and make one last attempt to explain the situation. What is on the other side of a link? Anything. That is the nature of the internet. Each time you click on a link, you experience the unknown. Clicking on links is exploratory behavior. It is an investment. It is a risk. People have just so much time in one lifetime, so they only explore the unknown a certain amount. So there is a difference between offering links to ?something? and telling people that there is a set of detailed episode articles available. But if you are attached to the main article keeping that hidden, by all means, just keep right on, smugly convinced that any fool should of course see what it so obvious to you... But this discussion has passed the realm of the functional/practical, into the esoteric religous/philosophical; the only way to cope is to go try to find something useful to do, elsewhere. 69.87.204.41 03:15, 22 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Unaired Episodes Online?

The article claims that unaired episodes will be released every Thursday at 2 am, but that has not happened. Any word from ABC? I want my Day Break! 24.181.229.85 00:49, 22 December 2006 (UTC)Tycerium[reply]

Originally the next episode was supposed to be online at 9:00 PM EST Wednesday (the time the show had been airing on television). Then it was 2:00 AM PST Thursday (the time the show had been put online previously). It is now 10:00 PM EST Thursday and the next episode is still nowhere to be found. They do still have the previous four episodes online. I loved Day Break, but unforutnately network television is ONLY about money. If it's not bringing in money after a month they will cut it. If they are going to cut new shows after such a short period of time, what incentive is there for me to get emotionally attached to new shows? And for what possible reason would they cut it now? Last night in Day Break's place they aired RERUNS OF GEORGE LOPEZ for God's sake. I could understand if they put a new show on or brought Lost back early (which they are trying to do), but reruns of George Lopez? Fuck you, ABC. - Luke727 02:58, 22 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I looked into this and on TVguide.com they have an announcement on the forums about the new episode not being online because of some issues with not being able to get the rights to one of the songs in the episode, and will be posted once that is worked out. VegaDark 05:36, 22 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

http://community.tvguide.com/forum.jspa?forumID=700000044. It sounds suspicious to me; if it is true then ABC is probably trying to negotiate a lower rate since the series is no longer airing on television. I still don't buy that they even intend to air the rest of the series at all; they have to prove that to me. - Luke727 06:02, 22 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, reruns of George Lopez is the biggest slap in the face I can imagine. BryanJacobson

All Day Break episodes have been completely removed from ABC's online video player. So not only are they NOT streaming the remaining episodes online, but they also removed all the previous episodes! The inclusion of Day Break on the schedule for Wednesday at 10:00 EST does raise an eyebrow, though. - Luke727 19:09, 25 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't say that anymore. --theDemonHog 20:04, 26 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, that sucks. It's not on the air; it's not online; there's no news at all. At least if they came out and just said "it's dead" that would be something; not knowing what will happen (both with the series and the story) is the worst thing of all. The pain of not knowing how it all ends is matched only by the pain of knowing that Day Break's slot was filled with reruns of George Lopez. - Luke727 23:26, 26 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Found reference to rest of episodes being online dated Dec. 22 but to check back after holidays. Added this to main page. Chicago Tribune.com Onw1k1 17:22, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Day Break episodes were online at ABC.com but with they were removed, probably when ABC put up the Fall 2007 season. The link under external links to "Full episodes of Day Break" on AOL is a bad link because the AOL pages link back to ABC for the actual video and they are no longer there.- Mmboyd 01:17, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Miniseries

The article lists the series as a "miniseries". I don't see a basis for calling it this. It may be a cancelled series, but I don't believe "24" is billed a 5-season miniseries. Unless someone shows that the series was never intended to have a second season if successful, it's simply the format of the show's season. I'm going to rebill the article 12:58, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

ANY successful show will be considered for renewal, regardless of original intentions (Thief, with a mere 6-episode run, was briefly considered for renewal). But I guess that depends on how you define "success"; clearly Day Break was not successful in ABC's eyes. Going by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miniseries and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_program I would be more inclined to refer to Day Break as a "series". In reality I don't really care which term is used, but I know Wikipedia tends to be pedantic in these matters. Of much greater concern to me is the fate of the remaining episodes. - Luke727 20:01, 25 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"24" is different than "Day Break." The events in "24" don't happen because of some weird thing that happens to Jack Bauer, and he doesn't just want to quit what he's doing after a single 24-hour period is over, so you can't call that a miniseries. However, in "Day Break" Hopper has a problem, that he can't reach tomorrow. Once he figures out how to (when the season ends), there is no way that the show creators could link any new season to this one. Therefore, "24" is not a miniseries because it can be repeated, but "Day Break" is a miniseries because it can't really be repeated.--Bouncy 20:47, 25 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As usual, you miss the point entirely. I don't even understand what you're saying to be honest. 24 can't be repeated? huh? The fact that the day in daybreak repeats has absolutely nothing to do with whether it's a miniseries or a series or a chicken. Groundhog Day had the same premise and it's neither. It was a feature film. 24 has 24-episode seasons. Every season is a completely new day with a completely new set of events, just like if Day Break had gone to season 2, it would have been a completely new day with a completely new set of events. Each one is not a collection of miniseries, but simply seasons of a TV show. Nor is each season of survivor a mini-series. They are just series whose seasons are more disconnected from each other than, say, Seinfeld. Alternatively, Band of Brothers is a miniseries, and Roots is a miniseries because if they were successful, they were NOT going to be picked up as series. They are pretty much always BILLED as miniseries, and they are not intended to be picked up as series. They may sometimes spawn sequels, but they are usually named differently, such as "Roots: The Next Generations", also billed as a miniseries. This would just have been a regular series with independant seasons, like 24. I should also add that most miniseries' have more of a single storyline that is 'to be continued'ed through every episode, rather than Day Break, or 24's overreaching plot with each episode having an independant storyline (such as one episode's hostage situation, and another episode's plot surrounding Andrea, etc.) TheHYPO 15:07, 27 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's a miniseries because they planned for it to end without having a full season. The fact that it (and all miniseries) might potentially become a series is irrelevant. Tulane97 20:19, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Daybreak plays like a video game

I know this isn't particularly relevant to the article, but I thought I'd mention how I always felt that Day Break strongly reminded me of those old-school puzzle games, like Zak McKracken or Maniac Mansion (and somewhat of all sorts of video games) where you'd have to find specific pieces of a puzzle (like props) and figure out exactly what they were supposed to be used for. And if you did something wrong or died, you'd have to go back to the beginning, but you'd know the game better each time and run through the early stuff rapidly without reading/listening to any of the dialogue or signs or instructions. I really liked the concept. It also played out very strongly as a movie the first two hours. It hasn't quite felt as urgent in subsequent weeks. I think a potential weekness of the series is that no matter what we see happen to the characters, they will all be fine in the morning. Threats against Rita were starting to feel a bit hollow, as she would just be back in the morning. I know he loves her, and maybe doesn't know when the loop will stop, but I would be less liable to give in to demands in order to save her in one loop TheHYPO 13:26, 25 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

But that's the whole point! He has no clue why this is happening to him or when (or if) it will stop. What if he goes commando, gets Rita killed, and then tomorrow comes? OOPS! I agree it is a little worn out since we know in the end the "good guys" will win and the "bad guys" will lose (typical Hollywood), but it still has to be played out this way. I wouldn't mind reliving the day if I could wake up next to Moon Bloodgood each morning.

Yeah, I know he has know idea when it will stop... but we do (pretty much), so his urgency at seeing her killed everyday felt a bit much to me by the... what were we on? 20 days? I'd think he'd be slightly less emotional about it even on the hope or assumption that he most likely will have another day tomorrow. TheHYPO 15:14, 27 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Imagine seeing the one you love die, and the next morning really is tomorrow. Hopper is basically trying to save lives, prevent people from being killed whenever tomorrow really hits. To me he has his priorities straight. —Mproud 10:01, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The major difference is that there is every indication that Hopper can only end the day in two ways. The first is the way he did it - he solved all of the major pieces of the puzzle which allowed him a chance at stopping the events of Day 2. The other would be death. Even when his day finally ended, he hadn't stopped everything he had stopped in previous days (the notable example being the gun running). The concept of the show would actually make a good video game, as in each day you can follow leads that give a bigger piece of the puzzle, but you don't know which seemingly minor events are actually critical (the best example from the show is "Saving Margo" - if she's not in position, Day 2 can't happen). Hopper actually used some clever moves by carjacking his tails, and using the tracking device to follow Uncle Nick. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jclinard (talk • contribs) 07:41, 12 May 2007 (UTC).[reply]

episode count

If Day Break was ment to fill the Lost 12 week break, why is Day Break a 13 episode series? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.205.165.215 (talk • contribs) 11:54, December 27, 2006

Because the first two episodes were aired the first week. (2 episodes * 1 week) + (1 episode * 11 weeks) = 13 episodes in 12 weeks. --ΨΦorg 07:52, 29 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

International airings.

Does anyone know when in 2007 the international airings shown on the page will happen? Hopefully someone overseas will post them online when they air. --Fezir 05:40, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wouldn't that be illegal? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.165.146.90 (talk • contribs)

Yes it would! Anyway, as the UK station Channel 5 has purchased the rights, i'd expect them to air it. Presumably their contract does not involve ABC and is a separate agreement, and as the episodes have been filmed they will air here in the future. Channel 5 has previously aired whole programmes that have been cancelled and remain unbroadcast in their original territories- "The Lyon's Den" with Rob Lowe being an example of this. We got to see all of the episodes, even if the ending was super-stupido! So yes Fezir, these will certainly turn up sooner or later, hopefully on itunes in the next few weeks, or otherwise there will be a short wait til they turn up.... --The globetrotter 18:33, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

where did you see that Channel 5 inthe UK has purchased the rights? Also, have they announced when they are set to air it? Grande13

Well, when I wrote that the details for the UK on the main page stated that 'five' had purchased the rights and were planning to broadcast it on 'five' US (on freeview/cable/Sky), but as that's now been changed to Bravo.... so I don't know. There's nothing on the 'five' site, but it does only detail current programming, not future series. --81.109.159.115 22:25, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Don't worry. Word is, four episodes (7-10) are already "floating" around. :)

Which is exactly where ABC should have bloody put them in the first place if they were going to give up on the show. Hmmn, looking forward to watching the next five eps at last tomorrow!!! --The globetrotter 22:18, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Day Break has now been shifted to Saturday night's in New Zealand. No reason for the move has been made by TVNZ. --203.211.69.154 00:42, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Character Description

Someone reverted the change I made to "Main characters - - Jennifer was not abused by her husband. Corrected info as to where arm bruises came from". If this is decided to be spoilers, then also every other sentence for each character after what they are i.e. "She is also a detective and is being investigated by Internal Affairs because of some shady dealings with her informer "Slim". She is romantically involved with Eddie Reyes." after Andrea Battle should also be removed and considered a spoiler too, as a lot of the information on these characters is not given in the first episode, and even if it is, you would have to watch to the show to figure out that information, which would make it a spoiler. So I say either allow my edit to stand, or remove all descriptions after the character as below:

Brett Hopper, played by Taye Diggs, is the main character of the show.
Rita Shelten, played by Moon Bloodgood, is Brett's girlfriend.
Jennifer Mathis, played by Meta Golding, is Brett's sister.
Andrea Battle, played by Victoria Pratt, is Brett's current partner.
Damien Ortiz, played by Ramon Rodriguez, is Brett's informer.
Chad Shelten, played by Adam Baldwin, is Brett's former partner.

208.137.139.5 21:40, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What will get him to the next day?

At the end of the synopsis it says "Only when Hopper figures out why his life is broken and how to fix it will he awaken to a brand new day." Do we know this for sure? The show itself does not reveal this. The creators have said that he will get to tomorrow, but have not revealed how or why, to my knowledge. Unless there is a source for this sentence, it should be removed. Tulane97 03:13, 14 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

that same line appears on the official day break website so i believe it should remain. we know that it was in order to get to the new day he has to fix things, and on the abc website itself it mentioned at the end of 13 episodes he would get to the next day, so thats just further reason why this should remain. these are the creators words... Grande13

Day Break Top Section

The last paragraph appears to be speculation. Neither ABC nor Touchstone Media has indicated they will 'recall' the show. There is no citation for this. The statements appear to contradict itself by ending it with "it didn't live up to the hype." So either the show is so good that there is talk by "the powers that be" of bringing it back or it simply isn't because it didn't live up to the hype. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Onw1k1 (talk • contribs) 02:32, 13 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]

This doesn't make sense

"petition to save Day Break [1].ABC.com currently has the first 12 episodes available to watch and will release one more every Monday thereafter until the finale on February 19th."

This is in the first part of the article. I don't get this, does it make sense to you? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.24.106.106 (talk) 05:40, 15 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]

I believe it makes perfect sense, but that's just me. Illyria05 (Talk • Contributions) 05:44, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Series Finale

When is the last episode coming out? Today is the 19th but the finale is not out yet. Does anyone know what time it's coming out? Last week, it was out before noon, but today it still isn't out. If anyone could help answer these questions, it would be appriciated. -Daybreak fan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.204.157.118 (talk • contribs) 21:03, February 19, 2007

I don't know; it's still not up as of 10:00 P.M. EST. I like that they followed up on their word and made the episodes available, but filling its time slot with reruns of George Lopez is an act that I will never be able to forgive. In fact if this delay lasts any longer I'm afraid of going to the online episode player and finding reruns of George Lopez in Day Break's place. If Day Break were a drug I would need to check myself into a clinic. I must know that tomorrow will come for Brett Hopper! By the way, are the women in this show hot or what? -Luke727 03:14, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As of 5:00 A.M. EST (the normal ABC.com player update time) the finale still has not been posted. —Mproud 10:09, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As of 3:00 P.M. EST Tuesday the series finale has not been posted —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.68.116.220 (talk) 20:06, 20 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]

If you checked the abc.com site you'd see this:

Premiering this week

only on ABC.com

"What If It's Him"

SERIES FINALE! Hopper's day of reckoning finally is in sight and the answers to his questions are ::within his reach - but will he live to see the end of his repeating day.

so its a SERIES Finale in case there are any questions about that, and it should be available sometime this week as delays have caused them to miss the initial Feb 19 date. Grande13

As of 2/22/07 ABC's Day Break page now says:

Premiering next week only on ABC.com "What If It's Him"

instead of "this" week

and of course now it's Monday afternoon and still nothing new. anyone else think they dont even have S01E13 in there possession? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.68.116.220 (talk) 18:12, 26 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]

if you happen to just read the daybreak website on abc.com you can see its coming out WEDS Grande13

oh look, Wednesday 1pm gmt-5 and still no sign of s01e13 on abc's website, what a surprise.

its been delayed one last time to swap out one last song due to high music feesGrande13

As of 8:00 pm gmt- 5 there is still no daybreak finale, and no update from the actual website (it still says premieres today),Perhaps they are slating the premire for the actual time that it would have premired (9:00 pm) Hopefully it will not undergo the same process as Tru Calling(A show with a similar premise) where the series finale was just never shown. User:bymastudent

it will be released when its ready, if you've read my others posts a song had to be replaced at the last minute and the editing is supposed to be done over the next few days. They are not waiting for a specific time, such as 9pm, to release it. Its going to be updated when available just be patient as it most likely will be a few daysGrande13

I am seriously jonesing for some detective brett hopper.

oh please! it only takes a few minutes to swap out a song with a new one when you have the original stuff like they do. in my opinion they are doing all this crud to build up suspense and demand so that way they can get more money from ads. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.68.116.220 (talk) 00:36, 1 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Actually it takes probably like 8-10 hours, and ABC isnt devoting full resources to a canceled show, hence the delay of a few days. Its not like they are just using the full song and putting it over the video. They are cutting bits and pieces of it, and lining it up with the video to make it flow smoothly. Also, stop complaining, consider yourself lucky you get to see the end of a show that was canceled in the first place. Grande13

Folks, I realize this is a frustrating situation, but can we please try to stay calm and professional here? Let's try to stay civil and avoid personal attacks. --El on ka 02:35, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This may seem kind of mean or a little over the top but I feel that it should be said. I am also a fan of the show and have seen every episode of it and was very dissapointed when it was cancelled, but was also very happy when i saw that i could still watch it online. My only problem is that, all the people here complaining about how they cannot watch the series finale of a TV show really need to stop. It is only a TV show, it is not a life or death situation. There are many other wwaaaaaaayy more important issues going on in the world right now and I think that we should devote more of our time to fighting for those different causes instead of screaming hatred to a television studio who, in the first place, only makes shows for money, I mean, come on, do you really think they make shows for any other reason. They opperate for profit. It's not a bad thing, but it is how the world works. So I think everyone who is so angry about this that they just want to curse ABC forever, you just need to chill out and worry about something that really matters; terrorism, poverty, cultural issues like gay marriage or abortion, or a whole host of other things that we should devote our attention to... Ryn2me 02:51, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There are always more important things going on than our petty every day struggles, but if everyone just stopped what they were doing and concentrated on a cure for AIDS, solving world hunger, etc, then nothing else would get done. Besides, those people didn't die in the 9/11 attacks, Afghanistan, and Iraq so ABC could replace Day Break with reruns of George Lopez; their families deserve better than that. Never forget. Not to get too off-topic, but gay "marriage" is not a cultural issue; it's about basic human rights. It took us (United States) a long fucking time to recognize the most basic of rights of African Americans, and even today racism is still alarmingly prevalent. Homosexuals have it even worse because all the major religions denounce it and homophobia is prevalent in all corners of society. Eventually these retards will get dragged along into the 21st century, kicking and screaming if necessary, but I'm sad to say I think it will be a long time yet. If we could just be a little more progressive this country wouldn't be too bad. I am also hopeful that atheists will be allowed citizenship within the next 200 years.

I think you have your opinion, and you are entitled to it...but I really think it is stupid to compare homosexuals to those who were forced into slavery. Homosexuals are still allowed basic human rights, they aren't kept from voting or kept from speaking out in public. Minorities have been oppressed much worse than that, I don't think you have the right to make that comparison, I don't have that right either. The only question about gay rights is really to do with marriage, otherwise you really don't have to talk about sexuality, I dont see why it's a big deal to talk about something that most people view as a private matter, if you talk about something that is divisive among people, like religion or sexual orientation, then you are opening up the can of worms. But this isnt really the place to have this discussion, this is a forum about a TV show, not a forum for political matters, I was just trying to make the people who were obsessing over the TV show to realize, if they hadn't already, that it really is not that big of a deal in reality, that's all. My goal was not trying to start a conversation about the perceived problems of our society...I don't really get the comment about athiests either, and as for progressivism, it was started by the people who you say are stopping 'gay rights'.

not really sure what you mean about the atheists things considering that stuff is common and if you hadn't noticed. also in our government force-tax-funded schools (communist manefesto plank 10) they are teaching kids to be atheists with all the evolution theory stuff which they are mostly presenting as fact and not theory.

friday 4am, again anybody else think that abc doesn't even have s01e13 in there possession? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.68.116.220 (talk) 09:24, 2 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

They have the episode but according to a show staffer who posts on Television Without Pity it is being delayed because they cut the music budget and are swapping out the song that was originally used. I just hope they don't post episode 113 out of sequence like they did with episode 112. --Basique 09:57, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Still jonesing hardxcore for detective brett hopper.

finally, its on abc's website —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.68.116.220 (talk) 03:52, 3 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

hooray for episode 13 and lol for how off topic the discussion got. now we can all watch Daybreak in peace and harmony and discus other issues else ware. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.22.124.60 (talk • contribs) 04:53, March 3, 2007

I agree, hooray. :) Also, just in case anyone on the show's production team is reading this page: Thank you. This was a bizarre situation, and I'm sure it was frustrating for those who make the show, as well as for those of us you got hooked on the story. When ABC cancelled the series, I'm guessing it was quite possible that the final episodes might have never been shown at all, but somebody somewhere managed to pull together the resources to get the final episodes edited, finished, sponsored, and posted on the website. I imagine that there was probably some scrambling going on, and though things were a little bumpy, things finally got released. So to those who pulled strings and worked overtime and midwifed the remaining episodes: Thank you. :) --El on ka 06:31, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Link to one fansite

Hello, I added a link to the fansite called "What If There's a Fansite" @ http://www.daybreak.tk. It was removed and said should be discussed on the talk page. It is seemingly the only Day Break fansite on the Internet and offers information that no other sites do which is why I think that there is no harm in listing it. Agree or disagree? --thedemonhog 22:42, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree, if you put one fan-site, you MUST then list all.. Illyria05 (Talk • Contributions) 05:05, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's reasonable to include fansites as external links, as long as there are only a few of them (less than 5), and the fansite has interesting content. But if it's just a page that says, "I love the show," then no, I don't think it's worth linking to. As for quantity of fansites, if it gets to the point of there being many sites, then we should only link to the major ones. --El on ka 05:49, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fansites can certianly be included if they meet WP:EL. And there's no reason that it has to be all or none, WP has to judge each potential link on its merits. --Milo H Minderbinder 14:13, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I've changed my mind, I'd be fine with at least two :) ... Illyria05 (Talk • Contributions) 00:00, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Constant Removal of info regarding delays to series finale

Look i am new to this whole website but i am starting to get very upset by a few editors that constantly remove any information about the delay of the series finale and/or anything that may be seen as disparaging to ABC. Look i am not gonna turn this into one large "ABC is evil" rant but when they drop the ball on something it is a fact and needs to be realized. There is more to the story of day break than just the adventures of Brett Hopper. Two years from now this show will be remembered just as much for this whole fiasco as it is for its great story and innovative style. I will stand by my added section of "Upset Fans" and replace it each time it is removed until i am banned or proven that it should not be there by a vote of readers. (that is how you solve issues like this right?) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.183.0.148 (talk) 20:04, 2 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Information needs to be sourced to a publication (see WP:ATT. Unsourced info is considered original research, which doesn't belong in a WP article. --Milo H Minderbinder 20:14, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

-milo... just because i do not know how to write the code to put a quote and a link next to my info does not mean it is not pertinent facts. As i have said before the delays associated with this show is just as big of a story as the show itself. I am sure that most of the traffic coming to this page is people who are looking for information about the finale and when it might be available. If you are so addamant about getting this page right why dont you help me cite my work rather than just deleting it.

if you want to talk about the show and its delays go to a message board...this is an encyclopedia, plus it already mentions numerous times about the online episodes and delays Grande13

no it doesnt every mention of the delays and is deleted or reposted in the middle of some grammatical nightmare

i see this pretty clearly "The thirteenth and final episode, which was originally scheduled to be available on February 19, has been delayed multiple times. According to the Day Break page at abc.com, after several missed release dates, the show will premiere sometime "this week", the week ending March 3." Grande13

as i said... nightmare

People coming to this page looking for info about the release of the last episode will find all the info that is available. A paragraph ranting about pissed fans and repeating delay info that's already there isn't going to tell them any more than the article did already. Please quit reverting, if you exceed three reverts there's the potential of being blocked via the WP:3RR rule.

Also, please sign your posts, you can use four tildes or just hit the littlel button over the edit window with a picture of a signature squiggle. --Milo H Minderbinder 20:37, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, let's not bite the newcomers. Anonymous user (sorry, no other way to refer to you), the reason that your content is being reverted (or deleted) is that it is, rather than sourced fact, made up of opinion, and (in my assumption, personal) experience. One problem with this, is Wikipedia policy states that statements need to be given attribution -- just like a reference book in a library needs to have a bibliography. On the other hand, we try to avoid original research.

The problem is not the content. If you can find reliable, third-party sources for what you are attempting to add, then there would be no reason to revert it. If you cannot, might I suggest you try to improve the paragraph that you think is a "nightmare"? Try to improve it while maintaining neutrality and without adding personal feelings/research.

One last point, the reason that the content is being reverted is not because you are new, even though an edit summary erroneously stated as much. I hope that we can get past this and you can become a valuable contributor to our encyclopedia. –Dvandersluis 20:45, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Throwing in my $0.02 to the anon user, I'd like to confirm that though some of us share your frustration, that we're limited by policy as to what kind of information can go into a Wikipedia article. Wikipedia isn't so much for "publishing" information, as for summarizing information that's already been printed elsewhere. So if you can find a newspaper or magazine article where ABC is criticized, by all means add it here. But personal opinions (including message board posts and blog commentary), regardless of whether not they are true, can't be added to Wikipedia articles. Hope that helps explain, El on ka 21:04, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about this being a little outside the discussion, guys, but I believe if we are to keep any of this information in the article, it should all go after the TOC. I'm tired of it being in the introduction, because anybody who is viewing the article for the first time will not care about the whole sequence of delays and will just find it useless and cluttering. I suggest we move it to a separate section. I've already done this before when there was significantly less infromation, but people insist on leaving it in the introduction. Why does it need to be there?--β·σ·μ·η·ς·γ 02:29, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you, let's move everything beyond the second paragraph to its own section (maybe called "Delays"?), and put that after the Episodes section. –Dvandersluis 16:44, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The delay information is extremely important to this article and it is encyclopedic so stop deleting it. Make a "Controversy" section for it and simply list the date the episode was originally supposed to air, and list the episode's actual airdate with a brief summary on the reason why the episode was late. --Basique 21:32, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The time loops cause

iMy best geuss is that Jared (the crazy guy) was causing the loops, he only stoped the loops when he felt that Hopper gathered enough Information to uncover the conspiracy. BYMAstudent 00:42, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

If you were thinking of adding this to the main article, I would advise against it, unless you could find a reliable source, Wikipedia is not for speculation.. Have a nice day! Illyria05 (Talk • Contributions) 05:56, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Day Break WAS an ABC series

The argument that unless all copies are destroyed to me is nonsense. Articles on TV shows such as Friends as well as others state simply that it WAS a TV series. Although in the whole scheme of things, it may physically be a series, in the timeline of the world, it happened in the past. Not to mention the fact that proper english states that you use the same tense in a sentence. You can not say that it IS a TV series that WAS produced. That is mixing present & past tense in one sentence. Also, stating that it is a series on ABC is misleading. It sounds as if it is currently on the air. It seems that it should state simply that "Day Break was a television program on ABC in the United States and on Global in Canada for which one 13-episode season was produced." I also think that the entire article should be changed to reflect that it happened in the past. Nothing in the article is currently happening, so technically, everything should be in past tense i.e. The series starred Taye Diggs... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.137.139.5 (talk • contribs) 21:44, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Creative works exist, they "are", they are not "were" unless they no longer exist, the show still stars those actors (unless your denying the shows existence?). Matthew 23:07, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Probably should consult the WikiProject on this. Dancter 23:17, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

We've had this discussion at WP:TV multiple times and multiple times at several other pages, the consensus has always been present tense is correct.. irrefutably because it is. Matthew 12:20, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't realize you'd already discussed the issue there. Anyway, the introduction example at Wikipedia:WikiProject Television/Television programs should probably be modified to reflect the aforementioned consensus. And considering that this seems to be a recurring issue, perhaps something akin to a FAQ item would be appropriate, with links to some of the more important discussions? (If there isn't one already, that is. I didn't find one.) Consensus can change, after all; and it would help keep subsequent discussions from rehashing the same arguments. You could just point to the FAQ item. Dancter 16:41, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So, "The Mona Lisa was a painting"? Afterall, it's not still being painted, so I assume it is now past tense. Just because they're no longer creating something doesn't mean that it no longer exists. Day Break still exists, and can still be watched on the ABC website, so it's not in the past tense. --Maelwys 23:31, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly. And if it "was" an ABC series, what is it now, a CBS series? --Milo H Minderbinder 23:34, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It just doesnt make sense! If you are talking to someone on the phone or in person, you wouldnt say that Friends is an NBC show. That would imply that it is currently on the air. The Happy Days article is correct in saying it WAS a TV show. In the history of the universe true, it IS a show. But in a timeline it WAS an ABC show. I was just trying to have the article use proper grammar. Apparently people would rather give smart a-- comments rather than debate an important topic.208.137.139.5 17:56, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

>>Not to mention the fact that proper english states that you use the same tense in a sentence. You can not say that it IS a TV series that WAS produced. That is mixing present & past tense in one sentence.

This has been mentioned but I just thought I'd agrue that this is completely incorrect. As stated, "These eggs ARE what I'm eating for dinner, and WERE prepared yesterday by Tony Randall". That said, I see both sides of the TV series issue and it's a debatable issue. It is true that Day Break IS a series. It still is. It would be absolutely correct to say "Day Break IS a series that WAS produced...". the question is whether it would be correct to say "Day Break WAS a series that was produced...". The reason this is an issue is simply because the latter makes it clearer that the series is no longer a current series. I think the best solution is to use the DEFINATELY correct syntax and add a clarifying detail... "Day Break is a series that was produced in 2006 [or from 2006-2007]..." this lets the syntax be accurate and still indicates that the series is over.

I DO see a problem with the current phrasing though:

>Day Break is a television program on ABC in the United States and on Global in Canada for which one 13-episode season was produced.

The problem is, Day Break IS a program, but it is NOT a program on ABC and Global. It WAS a program on ABC and Global. This makes it unclear until the last phrase that the series is over and is pretty confusing. I believe it should be reworked: "Day Break is a television program which was produced for one 13-episode season in 2006[-7]. It aired on ABC in the United States, and on Global in Canada." or alternatively "Day Break is a television program which was produced for ABC for one 13-episode season in 2006[-7]. It aired on Global in Canada." I think it could be tweaked a little... Frankly I think the Global connection is unimportant (note: I'm Canadian) - we don't list what channel airs programs in Germany or Israel or Australia. Why mention Global? In particular, why mention Global in the LEAD of the article? TheHYPO 23:12, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Does anyone have official confirmation that a second series will not be made? This surely impacts on the current phrasing more than any argument over the correct usage of tense. Yes, it's unlikely to get recomissioned, but given enough critical acclaim and fan support (and paid downloads) it remains possible. Given how happy the networks are to cancel shows during their runs in very recent years- i've enjoyed Day Break, 3 lbs, Kidnapped, and the Nine- before allowing them to gain a fanbase, surely it's only a matter of time before some cancelled programme manages to come back in style and become sucessful. Television is certainly changing; take any list of sucessful TV programmes and you'll find a few that took a few seasons to become popular. If a series as original and well-produced as Day Break can't get a chance to suceed, well, I guess producers will have to become a lot less imaginative in the future! The globetrotter 00:19, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I highly doubt the programme would be renewed, but I would not rule anything out, if there's news, I'll try to post it here, but again, I highly doubt it would get a season two, unless ratings of downloads and dvd sales are extremely high.. Illyria05 (Talk • Contributions) 01:43, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Family Guy WAS cancelled and then was restarted. Does that mean for the 3 years in between it should not have been assumed to be cancelled? For all we know, NBC could decide to pay 5 million an episode and hire back the cast of Friends for a new season... so it shouldn't be a past tense either. DayBreak was taken off the schedule in the middle of the season and has been effectively cancelled. It's quite simple to change this article to reflect any future announcement that a second season is being produced. We shouldn't assume one WILL be when the appearance is that it won't be. TheHYPO 15:50, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please, please don't let Friends come back! Apart from my general complaint that networks seem far too happy to dismiss new programming without giving it sufficient time to grow, I think that Day Break and indeed any TV series exists; it 'is' rather than 'was' regardless of potential resurrection or clear death. "What's that Day Break programme you were talking about Bubba?" "Well, it's this 'Groundhog Day' style cop show that used to be on TV but was cancelled, Charles." Ya Taye Diggs it? The globetrotter 22:13, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Music Video" from series finale

I just have several questions about the video in the series finale which showed everything being wrapped up (ex: Detweiller killing himself and chad escaping). Firstly, what is that song (im guessing its called "Death's Black Train", but I have no idea) and who sings it? Also, is that the one ABC has copyright issues with? and, lastly, at the very beginning of the video, there is a flash of light right before we see Tobias Booth look at the camera. When the flash occurs, someone is standing there. Maybe its Booth, but I dont know for sure.

Link to Polish site

I notice someone has posted a link to a Polish site related to this series. Are they allowed to do that? Surely the Polish Wikipedia is the place for a Polish language link. Brett Leaford (talk) 20:44, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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