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I think it is too early to have the harden up section as it is a recent claim. Only a few eye-witnesses have given an account of the events and I think it is premature to add this to the page. Especially bearing in mind that there are conflicting accounts of the event. Seymour and another politician on the panel have stated that his comments are out of context whereas others say that is what he meant. ^[1] 219.89.9.105 (talk) 04:20, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Request for section regarding criticism by Mental Health Foundation and Seymours standing by his words

Seymour stands by his words, so should have no problem with this being included. I.e. he doesn't deny what was written, and rather endorses & stands by it. So I assume there will be no challenge to adding these facts, with the relevant sources, to the page. I did not read the comments and I don't have any judgment or conflict of interest, I know very little about Seymour, and the one thing I know about previous Act leaders I thought sounded positive (I.e. John Banks helping to end animal abuse in Auckland region). That being said, both sides of the debate (MHF and Seymour) accept that the statements were made, and Seymour himself is happy to stand by them. Here are the sources: https://www.mentalhealth.org.nz/home/news/article/210/media-advisory-mhf-appalled-by-mp-david-seymours-letter-to-constituents and https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/104102224/david-seymour-slammed-for-letter-saying-social-housing-tenants-may-have-mental-health-issues — Preceding unsigned comment added by CanisLupisArctus (talk • contribs) 09:22, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Seymour's electoral history?

May it could be usefull to create separate article section about Seymour's electoral history in constituencies where he stood to be elected? I think tahts aprropirate according to the fact that so much less known act politician Stephen Berry has his own electoral history section in the article describing himself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.182.197.253 (talk) 22:54, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Go for it. Nexus000 (talk) 23:21, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Latest entry on sabotage of Māori vaccinations

The information is mostly correct except for the assertion that Seymour’s intentions were racist. This is Bias as Seymour’s intentions were that no one should receive special treatment based on race. That part is political opinion KingDougtheSecond (talk) 08:54, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Assertions per source. More interesting is Seymour not knowing (for years) how to correctly complete the register of pecuniary interests.^[1]

Another matter: I am unsure about one line - "Seymour's support base is mostly comprised of wealthy European New Zealanders." While I could find a source for 'wealthy', I could not find a source for the ethnicity statement. I propose removing it. Te Karere (talk) 12:56, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Remove content without a reliable source. Schwede 66 18:21, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Te Karere (talk) 18:51, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The existence of the code that is designed to prioritize a specific race over others is literally the definition of racism. Regardless, the claim that Maori population is less vaccinated (against COVID-19) due to systemic racism is factually incorrect and unsurprisingly the source is low quality as it references an non peer reviewed study with no links to the actual study (nor any sampling size/methodology etc). While it's reasonable to argue that Maori health outcomes are generally worse than other races which has actual data backing that up it's irresponsible to claim it is the specific cause for low vaccination uptake in this case especially when access to vaccine is unrestricted and specific initiatives have been put in place for Maori by regional public health units. Propose this sentence be modified to either link to a better source or removing 'due to systematic racism' so it's factually correct.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.57.12.137 (talk • contribs) 3:26, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Seems totally inappropriate to have this segment without mentioning he is a Maori Leader? Just like many others who have shared similar-ish info. Mathmo ^Talk 11:51, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi newcomers to this section of the article. Please note: we are observing WP:NPOV and we love WP:V. That means edits should be sourced and accurately reflect that source. This article also falls under WP:BLP. We will delete contentious information (which is pretty much this whole section) if it is unsourced or poorly sourced. Aim for an inline citation with each new sentence to improve the chances of your edit being maintained. Please don't delete simply because you see evidence elsewhere - add a sentence and citation with that evidence to the article instead! This is how we grow Wikipedia. Te Karere (talk) 23:30, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

^ Satherley, Dan (1 May 2021). "ACT leader David Seymour admits he's a beneficiary of property-holding trusts after years of saying he couldn't afford to buy". Newshub. Retrieved 6 September 2021.

Place of Birth

Appears that he was born in Palmerston (south, not North)?^[1] Te Karere (talk) 01:40, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I can't find another source which says either place, but his ACT bio says he grew up in Whangarei.^[2] I'm not sure Good Country is a suitable source; it looks like the work of one person and is effectively a blog. The content may have come at least partly from the Wikipedia article, and perhaps the "North" got dropped by mistake. I suggest removing his birthplace (and the category) as unsourced.-gadfium 02:39, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Verifiability, not truth Schwede 66 18:02, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "The Global Vote: David Seymour". The Good Country. Retrieved 12 September 2021.
^ "David Seymour". ACT. Retrieved 12 September 2021.

Image

2014, best image
2019, more recent, lower quality
2023, even more recent, but even worse quality once cropped

The image of Seymour is ridiculous and is no reflection of his character. It looks as though a "beauty filter" has been placed on him. Sahaz1505 (talk) 11:58, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Is that image even allowable per copyright rules? I’ve seen another webcam screenshot removed recently because the broadcaster (The Platform in this case) doesn’t have rights to the interviewee’s (Seymour’s) own feed. — HTGS (talk) 23:04, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That might have been me who nominated that for deletion. It's the same here; the image is likely a copyvio because Seymour didn't release it, yet he is the videographer. Schwede 66 23:20, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

So that’s this nom here: [1], which apparently includes the image of Seymour. (I had the feeling it was another NZ article and hoped someone might point it out here.)

I think at this point it might just be better to replace the infobox image now. It does have a weird look, and we pre-empt the risk that those images get removed. For reference, I’ve listed the other options. — HTGS (talk) 23:37, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the 2014 photo is best and support swapping it over. On a totally unrelated front, I wrote to ACT (and National) once more asking about them making caucus photos available. I did get an immediate reply from ACT, asking what the story is with licensing. See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject New Zealand/politics/2023 list candidate photos#November 2023 update. Schwede 66 23:43, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

With regards to copyright, I've asked the questions at Commons. Schwede 66 01:17, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Sahaz1505: Do you want to say that his character is not beautiful? --95.24.65.132 (talk) 00:38, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:David_Seymour_at_the_Palmerston_North_Conference_%26_Function_Centre.jpg - this one is of OK quality even if cropped. The other 2023 photo is not beautiful. --95.24.65.132 (talk) 00:35, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 23 November 2023

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I will update David Seymour’s pfp to a newer one. PeterBarista100 (talk) 11:52, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I will try to show you all the photo PeterBarista100 (talk) 11:55, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have no idea what a pfp is. Schwede 66 18:53, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 19:08, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 25 November 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved (closed by non-admin page mover) BegbertBiggs (talk) 00:04, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Kiwiz1338 (talk) 03:29, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support as this is the clear primary topic, as can be seen here. Schwede 66 04:25, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Schwede --Spekkios (talk) 22:47, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support: he is a senior government minister and future deputy prime minister of New Zealand. He is evidently the primary topic. --Hazhk (talk) 22:51, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support - clear primary topic based on pageviews and long-term significance. estar8806 (talk) ★ 19:16, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Per @Schwede66. DDMS123 (talk) 06:24, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support – it's the most often visited article on Wikipedia with 'David Seymour' in the name, as shown in the pageviews comparison tool results presented by Schwede66. Most significance based on the number of contemporary sources. — AP 499D25 (talk) 11:01, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

DPM numbering issue

The article states that he will be the 14th Deputy Prime minister, this is incorrect as he will be the 21st DPM in 2025. Jam0070007 (talk) 06:04, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This error might have been made Winston Peters is the 13th DPM before him, this is the case because Winston Peters have been the DPM 3 times throughout history. Jam0070007 (talk) 06:06, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It shouldn't have even been there in the first place as it is not 2025 yet. DDMS123 (talk) 17:46, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttp://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/72050421/act-leader-david-seymours-harden-up-line-stuns-wellington-students

[2] Satherley, Dan (1 May 2021). "ACT leader David Seymour admits he's a beneficiary of property-holding trusts after years of saying he couldn't afford to buy". Newshub. Retrieved 6 September 2021.

[3] "The Global Vote: David Seymour". The Good Country. Retrieved 12 September 2021.

[4] "David Seymour". ACT. Retrieved 12 September 2021.

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