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Mansfield family tree

David Murray^[i]

Marjory Scott^[i]

David Murray^[i]

Anne Stewart^[i]

James Murray^[i]

Marjory Murray^[i]

John Hay^[i]

Amelia Murray^[i]

Sir Alexander Lindsay of Evelick^[i]

2) Louisa Cathcart^[i]

David Murray^[i]

1) Henrietta Frederica Bunau^[i]

Daniel Finch^[i]

Anne Hatton

David Lindsay

John Lindsay

Margaret Lindsay Ramsay

Frederica Murray^[i]

David William Murray^[i]

Henry Murray^[i]

Edward Finch

Elizabeth Finch^[i]

William Murray^[i]

William Lindsay

Dido Elizabeth Belle

Frederica Murray^[i]

James Hamilton Stanhope^[i]

William David Murray^[i]

Lady Elizabeth Murray^[i]

George Finch-Hatton^[i]

James Stanhope

George Finch-Hatton^[i]

Notes:

^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f ^g ^h ⁱ ^j ^k ^l ^m ⁿ ^o ^p ^q ^r ^s ^t ^u ^v ^w ^x Burke, Bernard (1865). Genealogical and Heraldic Dictionary of the Peerage and Baronetage of the British Empire (27 ed.). Harrison. p. 734.

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@Wentwort12: Please don't remove tags without addressing issues. If you feel the image size needs to be adjusted, you can do that appropriately using |upright=. Nikkimaria (talk) 23:56, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

well then I would do so, idk why you are being so defensive and unproductive about it. It's an easily done solution Wentwort12 (talk) 23:59, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done! Wentwort12 (talk) 00:15, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What about the other changes? Nikkimaria (talk) 00:25, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

are you referring to Representation in media? if you are then it's an unnecessary change Wentwort12 (talk) 00:28, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm referring to your revert here. See MOS:POPCULT and MOS:CREDITS. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:30, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

again it's highly highly unnecessary, unless those revert affect the article, then it shouldn't be deleted.

also it's not harmful at all and didn't break any guidelines, it fully comply with them. Wentwort12 (talk) 00:37, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately that is not accurate - see above for the guidelines at issue. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:45, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This guideline does not suggest removing trivia sections, or moving them to the talk page. If information is otherwise suitable, it is better that it be poorly presented than not presented at all.

you are just micromanaging at this point and I don't think this is productive or helpful to said article in anyway. Wentwort12 (talk) 00:56, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

please bring forward which guidelines it specifically broke and wether it is absolutely necessary to delete said informations! none of this actually contribute significantly to the article Wentwort12 (talk) 00:49, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The specific guideline at issue is MOS:POPCULT - pop-culture references should not be included simply because they exist, but only where there is secondary sourcing establishing cultural impact. At the moment, that isn't happening here. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:22, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

you misinterpreted MOS:POPCULT.

as I've said the title of the series are pretty self explanatory. Lord Stormont was ambassador to France, he had a cultural impact of being the ambassador at the time. This wasn't some random appearances, he was featured because of his occupation and this directly correlated with his article and history.

"Consensus at the article level can determine whether particular references which meet this criteria should be included."

especially when it comes to historical figures, most didn't have huge cultural impact but were still depicted because they had some small cultural influence, omitting them just because they didn't have huge culture impact, so some people who didn't care about history to write half hearted article about them and correlating it to the fictional movie Is just counterproductive

I don't think you micromanaging is helpful in this article at all Wentwort12 (talk) 00:52, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What this guideline is not

This guideline does not suggest removing trivia sections, or moving them to the talk page. If information is otherwise suitable, it is better that it be poorly presented than not presented at all.
This guideline does not suggest the inclusion or exclusion of any information; it only gives style recommendations. Issues of inclusion are addressed by content policies.

please cease your counterproductive micromanaging Wentwort12 (talk) 00:58, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[BurkesPeerage-1] ^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f ^g ^h ⁱ ^j ^k ^l ^m ⁿ ^o ^p ^q ^r ^s ^t ^u ^v ^w ^x Burke, Bernard (1865). Genealogical and Heraldic Dictionary of the Peerage and Baronetage of the British Empire (27 ed.). Harrison. p. 734.

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