Talk:David Merkow

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NGA Hooters Tour

The article describes the NGA Hooters Tour as the top mini-tour in professional golf. This is sourced but is causing some controversy (see this revert). My immediate response was top mini-tour where? In the US? Worldwide? It's unclear from the current wording. We should also probably consult more specialist golf sources to check whether this is indeed the case. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:59, 22 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Other sources have been added to fill it out.--Epeefleche (talk) 21:40, 22 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

OK, so we now know it's the third biggest tour in the US. The "top mini-tour in professional golf" is still ambiguous though. Can we drop that in favour of describing it as the third biggest tour, perhaps mentioning that the two that are bigger are the PGA Tour and the Nationwide Tour? Cordless Larry (talk) 21:43, 22 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That would be fine, though there appears to be further support as well for the fact that it is the top developmental mini-tour, if you google the matter, so it doesn't appear to be much of an issue. Still, it would be better if we moved the word developmental.--Epeefleche (talk) 22:15, 22 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hopefully this edit makes things more clear. Cordless Larry (talk) 22:49, 22 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Why all the gymnastics to define the Hooters Tour in a biography? We don't define Champions Tour, Nationwide Tour or developmental tours in any other bio lede. Why here? The simple fact is: In 2010, Merkow played on the Hooters developmental golf tour. Period. If he won a tournament, that would be good to add. Otherwise, for readers who don't understand the meaning of Hooters developmental golf tour -- there is a blue link provided. The addition of 4 references to the lede of an article about Merkow which make no mention of him (in fact, are written about other golfers) is strange and off-topic. — CactusWriter ^(talk) 19:23, 23 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Good point. It is odd. The a day ago had the typical -- a one-ref, one sentence description/discussion. An editor through OR said he questioned the accuracy of the statement, leading to ... what you see. The original form was indeed better IMHO. As to the blue link being sufficient, because some people who read wp articles read the paper form and don't click through, we don't rely on that and strip out every bit of info that is in a click-through. Rather, we follow what the RSs do, and have the barest description if the reader may be a layman, and not know the term.--Epeefleche (talk) 19:37, 23 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, my reduction of the sentence to a simple fact was per WP:NPOV, as stated. No OR was added -- in fact, it was the appearance of original research about "top mini-tour in professional golf" that was removed. Our WP policy about minority viewpoint is explained on the No Original Research page at WP:No original research#Neutral point of view. — CactusWriter ^(talk) 20:56, 23 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the description is out of hand and that all is needed is the link. It seems like the main reason the description was being included (before the recent debate) was to establish that Merkow is notable enough to merit an article. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:39, 23 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. I agree with that assessment. It does appear to have been included for the sake of an AFD notability debate. I suggest keeping the sentence to the appropriate facts. I don't think this bio is the place for expanded analysis of the Hooters Tour -- otherwise we'll need to include the common adjectives like third-tier, third-level or minor league as used by golf authorities like John Feinstein and Kevin Cook. A blue link to the Hooters tour is all that is required here. — CactusWriter ^(talk) 20:56, 23 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

OK, so I've cut the description of the tour out. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:09, 23 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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