Talk:David Komnenos

Note

Note: I was recently reading this page for historical content and was shocked by the stark resemblance of it to the history of William Miller, which is seemingly word for word. Unfortunately the Miller reproduction online at orthodox christianity. net is no longer available to check it against. Can anyone verify my suspicions or disprove them? If they can verify them, I would be happy to rewrite the article.--Dustiescott 05:48, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

I started the article, back in June 2006, and what I did was to take and adapt text from the Wikipedia article for David's brother and co-ruler. (This was my editing summary: Created (largely taken from Alexios I of Trebizond)). That's as far back as I know: I don't know the source of the Alexios article. If it was in fact plagiarised, curses ... Andrew Dalby 10:33, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Odd references, puzzling data

I'm not the one who flagged this article, but I understand why it was done. First, in its current version there are a lot of unhelpful citations: e.g. "Niketas Choniates, pg. 842"; who Niketas Choniates was -- or if Niketas wrote a book called "Choniates" -- is not explained. Second is the surprising statement that David Komnenos did not die in the siege of Sinope in 1214, but as a monk, which contradicts the account in the standard histories. Of course, the standard histories are old--William Miller's Trebizond, the Last Greek Empire was published in 1926, & Finlay's History of Greece in 1877--but late Byzantine/medieval Greek history is a subject where research progresses very slowly. Vasiliev's 1936 article in Speculum assumes David died in that battle, for example, although he does not provide any evidence that rules out David's end as a monk. And I'm working on uncovering more recent publications about the Empire of Trebizond, so maybe I might find the work an editor with a low contribution history--Dustiescott--based his changes on. In any case, this article needs a careful vetting; I don't know if it's accurate or not.--llywrch (talk) 03:12, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Siege of Sinope gives what appears to be another source for David's death as a monk: Savvides (2009), p. 38 (Note # 39) —PC-XT+ 04:24, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Actually, that source is given here for the historical account. The new version may have something to do with one of these: Chrysanthos (disambiguation), but it is hard to tell with so little information. —PC-XT+ 05:12, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

User:Dustiescott made the edit in Special:Diff/150698183 —PC-XT+ 05:21, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Niketas Choniates was a historian. Perhaps the reference is for one of the newest studies/translations of his works listed in that article. There is a 2009 work with his name as a title... —PC-XT+ 04:45, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

...or any one that has a minimum of 842 pages... —PC-XT+ 04:53, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

George Akropolites also has an article. —PC-XT+ 05:12, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Was his original name David?

I have read biographies of every Roman Emperor from Augustus to Constantine XI, I don't recall a single royal person called David, until this David, who, though originally from Constantinople, grew up in Georgia, a place where Hebrew names were liked, names such as David. So I wonderif he was renamed David from something else. If his original name had been Andronikos after his terrible grandfather Andronikos I, for example, his Georgian relatives might want to change it. While I am thinking about it, if his brother had an unfortunate name originally, being renamed Alexios after Alexios I Komnenos (of Constantinople) would be a better alternative. Middle More Rider (talk) 19:24, 1 February 2022 (UTC)