Talk:David Kato

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Did you know... that after Rolling Stone published photos and addresses of 100 gays and lesbians under the headline "Hang Them", Ugandan gay rights activist David Kato was awarded USh1.5 million in damages?

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Murder

I recently read on the Advocate that the Ugandan police are claiming that Nsubuga Enoc, the man who confessed to Kato's murder, was forced to have sex with Kato. ...while I have severe reservations as to the validity of this claim, I feel it is still something that needs to be discussed. How do we add this to the page in a neutral manner? I'm not sure how to do it, since I want to rebutt it. http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2011/02/03/Uganda_Police_Kato_Forced_Killer_Into_Sodomy/ Jademushroom (talk) 03:05, 4 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"US activist Melanie Nathan, writing to the San Diego Gay and Lesbian News, called the prosecution's rendering of events leading to the murder as "a cover-up of the actual facts and events leading up to Kato's brutal murder".[38]" What is her basis for claiming so? None is given. Why does she think the prosecution's version of events 'makes no sense'? David Kato springs Sydney Nsubuga Enoch from jail, he thinks he's already paid by putting up bail, Nsubuga disagrees, and decides to kill and rob him. Maybe she can't accept that version of events, however she doesn't provide evidence for an alternative version. MrSativa (talk) 00:27, 24 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

MrSativa - As Wikipedians, we are not required (as a matter of fact, we are forbidden!) to interpret the "meaning" of the words of quoted persons. That would become the dreaded original research.

1. Leave the quote as-is to stand on its own.

2. Choose another quote from that same person.

3. Choose a countering quote from a like-wise relevant person.

4. Choose another person to quote altogether.

But be sure to provide your reliable sources. Thank you, Wordreader (talk) 19:36, 30 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Explanations - twin?

How is Kato related to his being the brother? Not explained Jademushroom (talk) 08:32, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I was told by the gayuganda blogger that Kato was "the second twin" and that he met Kato's older brother after Kato died. I can't tell if he means that Kato has a big brother (2 separate pregnancies) or was born second of a pair of twins (1 pregnancy). Wordreader (talk) 05:28, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently, he was a twin. I edited out of concern for their safety (potential harrassment, etc). However, with enough searching, others can find it and it may be readily found in Uganda media accounts. So, I'm up in the air. What's the WP policy in such a situation? If the twin or family were hurt because someone found the name here, I'd feel more than terrible. Until there's a resolution, I don't think we can err by being cautious.

The part that's left, "he received the name "Kato" because he was the youngest of a pair of twins", needs an explanation. Why would a younger twin be named "Kato"? Is it the term that means "younger twin" in Uganda? Usually the time span between twin births isn't long enough to have any significance and most twins I know don't even know which of them is oldest, so I'm a little confused by this.

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/gaysouthflorida/2011/01/ugandan-gay-activist-david-kato-slain-after-photo-published-in-local-newspaper-with-hang-them-headline.html

Thanks, Wordreader (talk) 21:22, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That's what I meant to ask, if "Kato" referred to being the younger twin. Jademushroom (talk) 03:00, 4 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

BY THE WAY:

I, too, have read a few reports where he was "Born to the Kisule clan in its ancestral village of Nakawala...", but I cannot find it on a map. I've since found a blog written by someone who says they attended the funeral (reads as believeable to me) and calls the village "Namataba, Jinja Road in Mukono District" which is found on a map in Mukono District. More investigation needed. :^)

http://afrogay.blogspot.com/2011/01/homophobic-rant-at-funeral-sows-discord.html?showComment=1296679002164#c7821547336702974586 Thanks, Wordreader (talk) 21:37, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Reward Available

I have posted at the reward board an offer for any editor who can provide a free or suitably licensed (not fair use) photo of David. Time is short as I would like to use the photo with the present DYK nomination. EdChem (talk) 21:15, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What is the "DYK" award? Wordreader (talk) 05:29, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

DYK is Did you know?. Wikipedia takes bullet point facts from about 25 or so articles per day that are either new or have been greatly expanded recently and features them on the front page. Orrin Knox (talk) 20:39, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, thank you. Wordreader (talk) 21:38, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Date of birth

ATTENTION: raw language follows! David's date of birth remains a mystery. This article states, that he was born February 15, 1964. This is backed up by two references (http://www.blogcdn.com/www.politicsdaily.com/media/2011/01/katodavid.jpg and http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12299786). The first reference is a photograph which just shows the year of his birt - there is no mention of February 15 whatsoever. The second one just states that he was 42, which simply doesn't add up: 1964 + 42 = 2006. So, this Wiki article claims to display the correct day and month of birth, yet it tries to back that up with two sources that contradict each other. Pardon my French, people, but WTF? Who put "February 15" here in the first place? And what brings my piss to a boil is that all the different language versions of this article show different dates of birth!!! White rotten rabbit (talk) 09:33, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I mailed to the organisation for which he worked, SMUG. The Program Officer from there, Pepe Julian Onziema, mailed to me: Date of birth: Feb 15, 1964. --Franz (Fg68at) de:Talk 23:45, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

And I contacted the gayunganda blog, the blogger claiming to a friend and former schoolmate of Mr. Kato's (and is quoted in one of BBC items), who told me that he believes the man was born in 1968 and that was supposedly on the T-shirts people wore at the funeral. The BBC reported that he was 42 and in another place 43 years old, making his birth year 1968 or 1969.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12299786

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/9379495.stm -- listen to video

White rotten rabbit: Your link, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12299786 , the copy says "42" while the video says "43". Dang!

Thanks, Wordreader (talk) 05:18, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

An email sent to an individual editor can't be verified and so is not acceptable as a source. I added the 1964 date based on the photograph which, while possibly not accurate, is verifiable. Orrin Knox (talk) 20:37, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes Gayuganda wrote that he goes to school with him. He wrote that Kato was older than him and in another class. I have not found a picture or a video with the back of the T-Shirts, only the front with Katos picture or under a jacked. When someone believes a year and the other one write a specific date, then the specific date is for me the more accurat information. And Gayuganda know Kato, but he wrote also, that he is no activist. It seams that Kato had more contact with the people at SMUG. I mailed now also lgbt-ep.eu (Kato was several times in Bruessel [1]. Propybly there is some papers from visa or so.) --Franz (Fg68at) de:Talk 01:06, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

So, What IS his birth date? His Find A Grave memorial notes that another member claimed that Kato's friends gave him the date of 13 Feb 1964: David Kato. Please don't use that FAG memorial as the source for his birthdate as I know for sure that some people wanted the birthdate from WP used as proof for FAG! So, if this February 13th date can't be verified on either websites, why is it used in this article? Please tell me if I'm missing something. Thanks for your time, I appreciate it. Wordreader (talk) 23:59, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The birth date citation has not improved, so I deleted the day and month and replaced them with a "circa". How do we handle the other contradictory birth dates from the BBC, etc? Or just leave that photo as the citation and assume it was correct? Thanks, Wordreader (talk) 21:21, 29 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A Find A Grave member has stated that he's been to Mr. Kato's gravesite, photographed the marker, and that it gives his birth date as "13th february 1964". I know we can't cite his comment, but I tried to talk him into uploading the photo either here or at FAG. Fingers crossed! Wordreader (talk) 02:02, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Rolling Stone" case

The petition was granted on November 2, 2010, effectively ruling for the end of Rolling Stone.[6][7]

Does this mean that the court ruling somehow closed down the newspaper, driving it out of business? Or do you mean that the court ruling went against the paper (the defendant) in favor of the plaintif (Kato et al)? Wordreader (talk) 05:38, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The text and references were transplanted from the newspaper's article. My reading of the sources doesn't support the conclusion that the paper went out of business, only that it could no longer print lists of gay peoples' names. Orrin Knox (talk) 20:35, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Reuters source said the ruling shut down the paper. (Or rather, quotes an activist saying the paper is done.) I'm not sure why it/he draws this conclusion, since the ruling apparently only said that the tabloid couldn't out people any more, but that is what the source says... Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 20:59, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I found some articles that address this issue. The Rolling Stone was ordered by the court to stop publishing names and photos of people they thought were gay due to privacy concerns. Since the paper never legally registered, it was temporarily closed by the Ugandan government's Media Council until the process was completed. The newspaper shut-down was not ordered by the judge, nor was it over the media lynching of allegedly gay citizens. The tabloid was not published regularly, at least when all these events were occurring. I couldn't find anything that stated whether or not it was still in publication. It's circulation was only 2,000 at the time.

"Ugandan 'hang them' paper has no regrets after David Kato death"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jan/27/uganda-paper-david-kato-death?INTCMP=SRCH

"Death by Tabloid" [description of a meeting with Giles Muhame]

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/06/death-by-tabloid/8491/

"African 'Rolling Stone' Impostor Spreads Hate Agenda" [THE Rolling Stone's disavowal]

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/african-rolling-stone-impostor-spreads-hate-agenda-20101021

"Gays Reportedly Attacked in Uganda After Newspaper Publishes List of 'Top 100' Homosexuals" [a clear explanation of the events]

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/10/20/ugandan-embassy-defends-equal-rights-gay-list-appears-newspaper/

"Uganda's Rolling Stone paper told to stop outing gays" [a defiant Giles Muhame vows to "dodge the law"]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-11666789

Goodnight, Wordreader (talk) 03:06, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

26 Feb 2012 article on "Religion & Ethics Newsweekly" TV show

I saw coverage today of the first anniversary memorial for David Kato on Religion & Ethics Newsweekly on PBS (Public Broadcasting System), USA: Gay Rights in Uganda

I don't know how to insert references or citations. Please incorporate this source into the article. If anything, it shows that some people haven't forgotten him and that some people would like to. The allegation that a robbery led to his murder can be added. Thanks, Wordreader (talk) 00:09, 27 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

David Kato Vision & Voice Award

Under the "Reaction" section: The David Kato Vision & Voice Award was established in his memory.

Please add a citation. Also add context to the statement so we can know what the award is about and how it's made tangible (a plaque, a trophy, a monetary grant). Are the participants you named the ones who established the award? You imply that it will be given periodically when you say "the 2012 recipient", is that so? Is it primarily to award some kind of LGBT service or scholarship? Since the recipient is Jamacian, this is an international award? Do you think this award is note-worthy enough to have it's own spin-off WP article? Thank you for discovering this award (it's very cool), now please provide the context so we can understand it (or create an article about we can link to). All the best, Wordreader (talk) 13:11, 5 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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David Kato Memorial Lectures

Are you aware that the University of York has named an annual series of lectures after David? 2A02:C7C:417:E200:B9CA:F39F:BDEB:81BB (talk) 14:58, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]