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The article is not David Hurwitz's personal admiration page. Just as his reviews are often highly critical of a performer, so too must a bio sometimes be of him, if his viewpoints are not held as 'fact' - which of course almost all criticism is, by definition. If one is a critic, the critic also must be held to account for his views. —Preceding unsigned comment added by HammerFilmFan (talk • contribs) 07:30, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
HammerFilmFan, any criticism of the article's subject should be balanced. And any citations should be "inline" citations that can be referenced (in the case of BBC Music Magazine, include issue and page numbers, preferably with an online link). Also, bear in mind WP:BLP guidelines for living persons. User:24.193.109.138, since you claim to be the subject of this article, per WP:COI you should not be editing it at all. Please take all concerns to this discussion page.THD3 (talk) 14:27, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I have made edits to attempt to address your concerns, HammerFilmFan, while trying my best to keep it unbiased. I made sure to add inline citation wherever necessary.
@HammerFilmFan: it's been a long time but do you happen to have any references for content you previously contributed to this article? I think this article could definitely become less like fan page. Currently it is entirely based on this persons self-published information.--LeontinaVarlamonva (talk) 02:51, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know if I (as the main contributor) am being accused of having a "close connection" but this article is merely part of my improvements to many music critic articles on WP (see User:Aza24/Music critics). I have no connection to Hurwitz. As for references, I merely used what I could find and both The Brooklyn Paper and Amazon refs are secondary. There's no issue with sourcing basic life information to certain primary sources in absence of secondary. The "Musicological scholarship" section (which I did not write) is really the only "fan page" like content, and I would agree with removing entirely.
I don't know who removed all of the recently restored content, but it was much before I got to the article. I don't doubt its general accuracy, but I've removed its current inclusion as blatant OR. We need secondary sources that criticize him, not wikivoice using selected writings of his own do so. – Aza24 (talk)05:34, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hah! such interesting double standards - Hurwitz's wikipedia article can be nearly entirely base on his own information and sources but others have to scramble to find "secondary sources" just to state the obvious? (which is that he is harsh and profane as his writings speak for themselves). Also, I have difficulty believing that someone truly unbiased and without conflict of interest provides this level of upkeep for what is basically Hurwitz fan page. But even that does not matter that much. What matters is that no one has the right to take all this information and wipe it clean. Feel free to rephrase but complete erasing is unacceptable and nonconstructive.--LeontinaVarlamonva (talk) 01:00, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Your accusatory tone is not helpful nor productive. I update the YT count because no one else does… thankfully there is a program in the works to make such upkeep automatic.
Yes basic life and career information can be sourced to primary, but direct criticism can certainly not. As of now you are repeatedly inserting blatant OR which is a huge BLP violation. As before, if you can find secondary sources that have the criticism, by all means insert them. Aza24 (talk)01:42, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"he is harsh and profane as his writings speak for themselves" So what? Critics can be that way. Nobody has to be polite and mealy-mouthed if they believe something to be bad art. But, criticism of his alleged harshness should be reported in the article by way of references to sources criticizing Hurwitz, not as a personal assertion by one of us editing the article. Right? Pascalulu88 (talk) 20:38, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
