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Hartwell was more than an SF editor. Instead of one example, the easiest is the number of awards and honors from outside the field. All of that used to be here. I don't think anyone could put it together again but his CV may be around somewhere and he may have kept it up to date.

To limit this article to his being an editor leaves out a lot of information and gives a much narrower range of understanding. The things he was honored for outside the field informed what he did as editor, proponent, and supporter.

(I don't know how to document his wide range of knowledge and how much he enjoyed passing it along. But he often had a table in the Dealers Room, one of the used book dealers although his stock was outside the field. Pick up a pamphlet from the late 1800's and he could tell you about it, the context, where it fit into publishing. Not David Hartwell, Editor Extraordinaire, just a guy who loved books.) Kovar (talk) 23:14, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sadly, history is incomplete. Much information that isn't written down, is lost. This is a known issue.
Write it down somewhere. Wikipedia cannot be the first place the information is found. We need to be able to point somewhere external and say "according to <this source here>", and not just "according to the person who put it in Wikipedia". DS (talk) 00:20, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly: I don't know how to document these things, having been a friend just means the focus leaves out a lot. What's really bothering me is that the information used to be here and has been deleted. Does anyone know why, or when so I can get it back in?
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On a different topic, and this needs to be addressed elsewhere as well: Writing something you want on Wikipedia elsewhere to provide an external source is unethical and violates the community assumption that outside sources are, in fact, outside sources. I appreciate you wanting to include history, creating documents rewrites it. Kovar (talk) 01:04, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reports of David's Death

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Both Locus magazine [1] and a friend of his [2] have reported David's death after a fall and the bleed on the brain. I'm still trying to work my way through the rules, but could a semi-protect be put here until we have confirmation from the family or another reasonable source? (I'd give these two a 3/5 but we need a 5/5 level source) Reynardo (talk) 08:22, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Both reports are wrong - Locus based on PNH"s incorrect report. As of about 1:00AM EST, well after Locus and nielsenhayden's incorrect posts, David's wife reported that he is not expected to survive, but that he was still alive. There have been no further updates yet, and probably won't be before morning EST. Semi-protection would be very welcome, to put a pause to the good faith but premature edits. Thanks. Tvoz/talk 08:57, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I've requested semi-protection on Wikipedia:Requests for page protection and it's been granted for three days Richard Gadsden (talk) 11:49, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Many much thanks for that. Reynardo (talk) 11:59, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Tvoz/talk 18:30, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Kathryn Cramer, David's wife here. He will not recover, will not live, but as of 2AM his heart was still beating. I will post more when we have more information. --Pleasantville (talk) 12:48, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ (http://www.locusmag.com/News/2016/01/david-g-hartwell-1941-2016/)
  2. ^ (http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/016423.html)
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