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Nicole Johnson

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I removed the following text because I could not verify it:

"He was once known to be dating Nicole Johnson, a famous history teacher from Modesto, California, who was once arrested for protesting the American invasion of Cambodia in the middle of Highway 17 during the Vietnam War."

It was added by 66.189.169.30 on 10/23/07. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alan Rockefeller (talk • contribs) 05:12, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Alan – how are you "verifying" anything in this article? I see nothing cited. Peter G Werner (talk) 04:02, 19 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Notability of David Arora

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As much as I hate to say this and as much as David Arora is a well-known figure among mushroom-hunters in the US, I have doubts about Arora's notability under WP:BIO. The basic criteria for WP:BIO is "A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has been the subject of published secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject." I can't find any published biographical material on Arora whatsoever, either in print or on the web. David Arora is basically well known by word of mouth in the mycological community, but that doesn't really rise to Wikipedia's standards of notability.

(Also, Arora cannot even be considered notable as the author of a species name, since neither Mushrooms Demystified nor All the Rain Promises are considered valid publications for purpose of naming a new species (they lack a Latin protologue, etc), hence, even the a name that was were first used by Arora, Lactarius rufulus is actually Lactarius rufulus Methvan, since Andrew Methvan ended up being the "sanctioning author" who validly published the species.)

I'll see what I can fish up doing a Lexis/Nexis search. Otherwise this article may need to be dropped, unfortunately. Peter G Werner (talk) 02:27, 19 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

David Arora is a well known author of many popular mycology books, he is very notable for that reason alone.
Alan Rockefeller (Talk - contribs) 06:01, 19 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well, that doesn't begin to address the concerns about notability outlined above. Not every author of a popular book is notable by Wikipedia standards. And the bottom line is, and this isn't a suggestion or guideline, but an absolute rule of Wikipedia, is "no original research". If the information in the article can't be found in a published work, it doesn't belong on Wikipedia. However, I am coming up with a few things via Lexis/Nexis, so I think this article can be saved.
Just so you know, I'm probably going to rewrite this article from scratch, based upon what I can get from the newspaper articles I found, plus what autobiographical info I can pull out of "Mushrooms Demystified" and "All the Rain Promises". The article will then be properly sourced. Peter G Werner (talk) 01:10, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I think I've found enough sources to construct a well-referenced article, and with enough biographical info from at least one major news source, plus numerous trivial mentions elsewhere, to just fall into the parameters of WP:BIO if notability is challenged by someone else. At some point, I'll expand the article further with a more detailed paragraph on Arora's views on traditional mushroom economies and restrictions on mushroom hunting based on fears of overpicking. Peter G Werner (talk) 04:46, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Feedback

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  • Guys - sorry for not following protocol, I'm not an habitual editor on Wikipedia. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I REALLY don't think that's a picture of David Arora. He is VERY well known is mycological circles, and "demystified's" popularity with laymen and naturalists cannot be overstated; I think he deserves a bio. But I also don't think that picture is him - just the age alone is way off - the guy in that picture couldn't have written a book on mycology in 1979.- Tom — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.173.226.236 (talk) 19:52, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Its a newspaper article, retrieved through a Lexis/Nexis search, and credited only to Associated Press rather than any specific newspaper. I will add a note on retrieval date and note that its from a Lexis/Nexis search. Peter G Werner (talk) 18:10, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not all bios start that way, and I haven't been able to find a style sheet that gives Wikipedia preferentials for this. The fact that he was born in India is taken from the recent San Francisco Chronicle article, but I have no other details about locality, etc. I'll also note that "Arora" is an Indian surname, but I've never seen any mention or self-description of him as "Indian-American", so I didn't list him that way under Categories. Peter G Werner (talk) 18:10, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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