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He was wearing a number 23 shirt in the Guangzhou match, looks like richardson's number is gone already.

Flags and Wolves

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Hi Peejay, With the greatest of respect it is not me that is being unconstructive. I have spent some time improving the Darron Gibson article while you have just come along and made minor adjustments that add nothing. All I am interested in doing is making better articles but it is this sort of pedantic enforcement of MoS that ruins Wiki.

  • Regarding flags. First of all I am not a big fan of using flags willy nilly but I think that in this, and similar cases, it is justified. It helps distinguish between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. You may know the difference between the two but not everybody else does. I only wish I had a pound for every time I saw a Wiki article were an Irish player was linked to the wrong national team.. It is not just a problem with Wiki. This Man Utd site incorrectly refers to Gibson as an Northern Ireland U21 international. In addition I cannot find any particular guideline against using flags here.
  • Regarding Wolves. The clubs own website is called www.wolves.premiumtv.co.uk and it displays the word Wolves prominently. So if the club use the name why can’t it be used in Wiki. Even the Wiki article on the club states that the club is well known by this name. Djln --Djln (talk) 17:10, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism

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  • This is getting ridiculous. Can someone please explain why flags are allowed in some places and not in others. The MoS guidelines are confusing and contradict each other and I don’t find them particularly helpful. The Darron Gibson article is now being vandalised by several editors, making petty and trivial changes that have undermined the quality of the article. Some of the info, unrelated to flags, has been removed and when I tried to restore it I was threatened with blocking. This is very disillusioning. Why do so many editors have to be pedantic and resort to threats. Is there no room for civilised discussion. This the ugly face of Wiki that destroys the fun. I will leave article as is for now. Hopefully in a few days thing will have cooled down and I can repair the damage. Djln --Djln (talk) 20:13, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Irish?

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Shouldn't the top bit say Northern Irish instead of just Irish? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.6.236.20 (talk) 11:39, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Born in Northern Ireland, but plays for the Republic. He's Irish. – PeeJay 12:59, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
He's actually both, having represented NI at junior level. I'm changing to "Ireland|Irish" rather than "Republic of Ireland|Irish". Mooretwin (talk) 15:03, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I would agree that it should state Northern Irish as he is from Northern Ireland. No harm is stating facts.Factocop (talk) 15:12, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That someone from Northern Ireland is "Northern Irish" is not a fact, it is a minority label not used in preference to others by the majority of the population. O Fenian (talk) 15:20, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Northern Irish is not a nationality but it is an adjective that describes his origin so I don't see the harm in using it. A lot of people do refer to themselves as Northern Irish, myself included so please do not dismiss it just because you don't agree with it.Factocop (talk) 15:25, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

He was born in Northern Ireland, but he plays football for the Republic. Saying he is "Irish" is fine. – PeeJay 17:35, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Indicating him as Irish in squad lists etc is in keeping with the consensus that we indicate sporting nationality. Saying he is Irish in prose is contentious, and for some inflammatory; more to the point, it is unnecessary. Not everyone needs to be ascribed a nationality in the opening sentence of the lede paragraph, less provocative but equally accurate and informative constructions are possible and preferable. Kevin McE (talk) 11:28, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Is he not Irish? Whether he is from the North or the Republic, he's still Irish. – PeeJay 12:41, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Unless the descriptor "Northern Irish" is removed from all players who play for Northern Ireland (and those that haven't but are assumed to want to play for them and not the Republic) this standard is being applied selectively. The use of "Irish" to describe someone from "Ireland" is not contentious, and is recognised in the Good Friday Agreement, unlike the use of "Northern Irish". So either all articles are amended to remove "Northern Irish", or those players who choose to play for the Republic of Ireland are described as "Irish", it is quite straightforward. You cannot claim "Irish" is contentious while ignoring that "Northern Irish" is even more contentious. O Fenian (talk) 16:14, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I have no problem myself with describing him as Irish: I also could happily describe him as white, dark haired, one-paced, Roman Catholic, ten fingered, talented, right-footed and myriad other descriptors. I have never said that "Irish is contentious" per se, nor have I ever proposed describing anyone as "Northern Irish" (although WP:UKNATIONALS does), so personalising the discussion is unhelpful.
Most readers of a football article are not going to be aware of the subtleties of definitions offered by the GFA. For a very large number, simple assumption may lead them to assume that Irish applies uniquely and specifically to the Republic: for a smaller number, political prediliction will see "Irish" as rebuttal of UKish-ness. So even if it is only among those who are less than perfectly informed or less than totally neutral, the word Irish is not without the possibility of misinterpretation. That doesn't mean that we should never use the word, but we should be careful about using it when some people will come to the wrong conclusion.
"But it's not a wrong conclusion!" one might claim. It is true that he is a footballer for Republic of Ireland, but he is not a footballer from the Republic of Ireland. WT:FOOTY frequently sees pleas that we do not need to include in lead paragraph prose the representative nationality of players where that nationality is not obvious in the player's life: Ray Houghton is described as a "retired Scottish-born footballer who represented the Republic of Ireland", Mick McCarthy is a "is a former international footballer". As above, there are many descriptors that could be applied, but few that must be.
What cannot be summarised in a few words, and is not essential for a grasp of the subject, is best left out of the lead paragraph. The controversy over this individual's international career is sufficient to place it in that category. A simple view of the page history shows that description of nationality for this individual is indeed contentious. Kevin McE (talk) 08:57, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Last time I checked Irish can apply to anyone from the entire island. So please clarify whether you are going to remove "Northern Irish" from every article about people who have played for Northern Ireland (and those who have not) or not? If you are not, "Irish" will be added back to this article. You cannot claim "Irish" is contentious while saying "Northern Irish" is not, it is both or neither. O Fenian (talk) 09:01, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
There is very little sense in your replying to my posts if you do not read them, which is the only assumption that I can make given that you have not replied to any of my comments. Kevin McE (talk) 11:38, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Kevin, you are wasting your time here. This page is run by a nationalist clique. O fenian does not think that Irish is contentious in relation to Darron Gibson so please assume that he is ill informed. I suggest that we just say that 'he is a footballer who represents ROI'. But that will not be enough unfortunately. Any photos of Darron Gibson draped in a tri-colour and shaking Gerry Adams hand though would be very welcome and apparently by general consensus would be pc aswell. word of advice don't mention Londonderry. not in these parts.Factocop (talk) 09:11, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Don't make assumptions about my preferences in NI issues, I am simply trying to find a resolution that is factual. Parodying other editors will not make it easy for anyone to support your edits. Kevin McE (talk) 11:38, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Factocop you have just come of a block for disruptive editing, perhaps you could re-read the 5 pillars of WP and assume good faith and comment on the edit and not the editiors. Thanks. Bjmullan (talk) 09:16, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Kevin, I've made no assumptions on your part, i've just made an observation. I was blocked for making an edit to page that seemed to have an unbalanced view. I'm guilty!Factocop (talk) 11:54, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Darron Gibson may have been born in Northern Ireland, however as he opted to play for the Republic of Ireland despite having no parents or grand-parents from that country, i'm assuming he possesses an Irish passport and thus Irish nationality, which qualifies him to play for them - in that regard he is Irish, though born in Northern Ireland. As long as its made clear that he was born in Northern Ireland you can state both - i added Northern Ireland into the second paragraph which states where he was born as it ignores the actual country the city is in which helps explain the dispute mentioned afterwards. Mabuska (talk) 15:31, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Doesn't need to use the parentage rule as being born in Derry qualifies him automatically. Mo ainm~Talk 15:36, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
That's what i was implying when i stated the Irish passport bit even if i didn't make it clear. Mabuska (talk) 20:33, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

For the record, in terms of nationality, the only thing relevant should be what reliable sources say (except where they self-describe). We should be looking for what preference they have Wikipedia:Nationality_of_people_from_the_United_Kingdom. From Northern_Irish#Citizenship and identity, for catholics Irish should be the preferred option. IRWolfie- (talk) 20:50, 21 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

As a compromise, we could put 'British' as that's factual, given that he's from Northern Ireland which is part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.157.42.125 (talk) 13:39, 30 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

But he plays for the Republic of Ireland and has an Irish passport... – PeeJay 19:24, 31 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Position

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Would someone be so kind as to clarify in the article whether Gibson is center midfield or a winger? I tried to settle a debate on this issue by checking Wikipedia and was surprised to discover that this is not part of the article. 96.39.62.90 (talk) 19:40, 1 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well, he hardly ever plays on the wing for Manchester United any more. – PeeJay 18:22, 15 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Off-topic. I doubt he'll ever play for the first team again anymore unless the entire midfield gets suspended or injured. Mabuska (talk) 22:04, 30 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Back on topic - i'd classify him as a central midfielder as i've only ever seen him play that position for the first team. Mabuska (talk) 00:18, 3 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

twitter issue?

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/apr/25/darron-gibson-quits-twitter-abuse maybe include that too? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.108.86.125 (talk) 21:43, 4 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There is grounds for its inclusion i feel if someone wants to do it. I won't as i lack objectivity on him in regards to his abysmal Man Utd performances (couldn't care less that he choose the RoI team over NI as quite frankly i'm glad he choose somewhere else to be abysmal). Mabuska (talk) 15:31, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Moving Table

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I am moving the international goals table to "career statistics" section . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.107.197.22 (talk) 22:15, 7 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 30 September 2015

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Hi. Please edit his league apps. 45 caps for Everton now.

222.167.74.128 (talk) 13:01, 30 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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