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Reviewer: MPJ-DK (talk · contribs) 12:21, 6 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]


Full disclosure: I am a WIki Cup and GA Cup participant, I have my own GANs (CMLL World Tag Team Championship and CMLL World Welterweight Championship) and I also have a Feature Article (CMLL World Heavyweight Championship) and Feature List (Mexican National Light Heavyweight Championship) candidates in need of input. Not that it's a factor in my review but it would be appreciated.

I am aware that there is a topic ban for the nominator but I figure if I do the review perhaps other wikipedias will pick it up and get issues resolved. At least we've tried. I am about to start my review of this article, normally I provide my input in bits and pieces over a day or two so expect running updates for a while.  MPJ-US  12:21, 6 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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I like to get this checked out first, I have found issues using this that has led to quick fails so it's important this passes muster.

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Well Written

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  • Issues outlined below Red XN
  • I have a question - I see references made to "eastern Georgia" and "western Georgia", but they were not called that at the time right? they were kingdoms with other names. So "present day eastern Georgia" would be appropriate the first time Kakheti or Imereti are mentioned? I mean we would not call Californa "Western United States" prior to 1848. Is there something I am missing here?
Early life and first marriage
  • This section jumps right past some details, basically acting like the lead i part of the article (birth date etc.) the article should be written totally independent of the lead, as if it does not exist. It's like jumping past chapter 1 and 2 straight to chapter 3.
  • "Rid of Saakadze, Teimuraz then instigated Zurab to assassinate the rival pro-Persian ruler Simon II of Kartli in 1630, but he soon began to suspect Zurab of regal ambitions.", you are really putting two different ideas in the same sentence, creating a big mess of a sentence.
  • "instigated to assassinate" is not proper English
  • So this entire section basically stated one thing "Darejan was forced to marry Zurab", she is completly co-incidental to the rest of the section.
  • This section has one source, at the very end. is the assertion that it's all from one source? going forward I could edit the article and insert something in that sentence that is not covered by the reference. it's Wikpedia, not everyone actually adds sources, this way it's too open ended to verify it.
Second marriage
  • "On this occasion, Teimuraz was presented with Shah Safi's decree confirmed him as a vassal king of Kartli and Kakheti, all of eastern Georgia." this seems to be a total non-sequitur to the marriage, no correlation betwen the two are presented other than they happened on the same day.
  • "for unification of" = "for the unification of"
  • "He recognized no heir; Bagrat, his son by his first wife, had been disowned by Alexander; Leonti, his son by Darejan, died; he had adopted Luarsab, a son of Darejan's late brother David, but the boy also died. Prior to his death, Alexander, thus, had to recall his son Bagrat from Guria and make him his heir." - massive sentence, should be broken down into multiple sentences.
  • "Although both were in their forties, Bagrat had to reckon with his step-mother's ambitions." not sure why age becomes a factor?
  • "All documents issued in Imereti during these years bore first Darejan's name, and second Bagrat's." - these years? which years? it has not been stated what they are.
  • "divided in two" should be "divided into two"
  • "enjoyed support", should be "enjoyed the support"
  • Again, one source section
Civil war
  • "The matters headed to an open confrontation when Darejan persuaded Bagrat to divorce her niece Ketevan and suggested to the king that he should now marry her." I know the last "her" is Darejan because why would she have him divorce Ketevan and then marry Ketevan again, but gramatically that's unclear.
  • "of Mingrelia, and those" should be "of Mingrelia, while those"
  • "During the turmoil Darejan" should be "During the turmoil, Darejan"
  • "During the turmoil Darejan and her husband became hostages of the Ottoman pasha of Akhaltsikhe and were placed under arrest in Oltu, from where she asked, via her Moscow-based nephew Nicholas, the tsar of Russia to intervene, but her pleas remained unanswered" long, cumbersome sentence, please rewrite.
  • Again, only the sources at the end of the section.
Death
  • "In 1668, Aslan, the pasha of Akhaltsikhe, motivated partly by a bribe offered by Darejan and partly the massacre of the Turkish soldiers at Kutaisi, marched into Imereti, placed Darejan and Vakhtang on the thrones, and plundered much of the country." please rewrite, clunky and long.
  • "The royal couple did not long survive their restoration." should be "did not survive their restoration for long"
  • "certain of the nobles of" should be "certain nobles of"
  • "Following Chardin, Darejan's" I assume that's "According to Chardin"?
  • "Following Chardin, Darejan's husband was held until the arrival of the blind Bagrat, the legitimate monarch, who had his hand guided as he stabbed the usurper repeatedly, exclaiming, "Traitor, you had my eyes put out; I shall tear out your heart!" Long and hard to read, please revise.
  • "Prince Sekhnia Chkheidze to attack her while" who is "her"?
  • "The couple were interred" should be "The couple was interred" just one couple.

Sources/verifiable

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  • Only has two, both are okay for what they are. I will hold off judgement on this until the review is complete to see if there are issues
  • The Ancestry section has no sources Red XN

Broad in coverage

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  • To some extent, at least if you treat the lead as part of the article. borderline

Netural

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  • I believe so. {{aye}

Stable

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  • The article's short history does not show any issues. Green tickY

Illustrated / Images

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  • "Darejan, Queen of Imereti 01.jpg" needs a U.S Public Domain tag on the image page
  • "Darejan, Queen of Imereti 02.jpg" needs a U.S Public Domain tag on the image page
  • Red XN

General

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  • Being that short I would still think that a GA article should try to aim for 2 paragraphs, WP:LEAD say 1-2 so for GA we'd look for the higher number.

So while there are problems I believe they can be addressed withing a seven day period if someone would want to pick it up. So placing it on hold for now.14:32, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

  • Review has been on hold for 7 days with no signs of activities here or on the article, no indication that anyone is willing to cover for the topic banned user. I am going to go ahead and fail the article. If anyone wants to address the issues and reapply they are more than welcome to.  MPJ-US  13:11, 13 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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