Talk:Daniel Hayes

All collaborative efforts and constructive criticisms are welcome!

if anyone can help to expand this article with information on his early modeling career that would be great! additionally, if there is anyone willing to/capable of creating articles for the shorts and small budget films in which he participated, i would greatly appreciate it. i have created links to future pages in the hopes that this will eventually happen. please feel free to contact me directly if you have any questions or concerns. this is my first attempt at rescuing a previously deleted article and i thank you in advance for your patience and kind consideration!
Designsbyd (talk • global contribs • email) 07:01, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Date and place of birth

Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard/Archive253#Daniel_Hayes makes interesting reading, if other editors are wondering why Skywarrior and I are editing out not just the obvious PR spam but the date and place of birth - there are no reliable sources for these and self-provided material can't be trusted in this case.

The press release from his manager linked there has him being 25 - now the URL dates it 2017, but it's older, describing Going Down in LA-LA Land as "yet to be released", which would put it in early 2011 at the latest (likewise he's "looking forward to pilot season in Toronto this summer, where he hopes to build on the momentum he’s achieved in 2010"). That's consistent with the 1985 birth date we used to have here and as such the 1989 date now being pushed by the PR flacks should be considered extremely dubious. Pinkbeast (talk) 05:16, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Addendum - this cite says he was "over 20" when he began to act professionally. Since Boot Camp (film) was 2007, that pretty well kills off the fabricated 1989 birth date. Pinkbeast (talk) 21:52, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Request for page edits by Wikipedia Administrator

Hello, The page owner is requesting the following updates to the content if approved by Wikipedia.

1. Add place of birth: Trinidad and Tobago
2. Add in other names: The Honey Badger
3. Add nationality: Trinidadian
4. Update occupation: Athlete, Motivational Speaker, Host
5. Please update the first line on page "Daniel  Hayes is an actor and boxer.[1] He is known for his sport documentary  The Honey Badger". Edit the line to "Daniel Hayes is a Professional Boxer, Motivational Speaker and On-Camera Talent".
6. Under the Early Life section

   Please update the entire paragraph " From an early age, Daniel Hayes played soccer, basketball, football, amateur boxing, baseball, and swimming. He attended  Thompson Rivers University.[2] Hayes later studied acting at The Second City and Groundlings, and trained at The Ivana Chubbuck Studio.[3]" Edit the paragraph to " Daniel Hayes played various forms of sport at an early age from Soccer, Basketball, Football, Track and Field, Baseball to Swimming. By age 16 he was a certified lifeguard and he attended  Thompson Rivers University where he received an athletic scholarship.[2] Hayes later studied at The Second City, Groundlings and The Ivana Chubbuck Studio[3] acting schools.

7. Under the Acting Career section

   Please update the line "Hayes  began his career as a print model in magazines and billboard ads for Gap, Guess, Nike, Sony, Hugo Boss, Lacoste, Armani Exchange and Andrew Christian. A few years later he was in his first two commercials with  And1 and  Nike and began studying at The Second City Toronto.[4]". Edit the line to "Daniel Hayes began his acting career with his first television commercial for And1 followed by a billboard ad for Nike".

8. Please add this line wherever its appropriate: Hayes is a Trinidad & Tobago’s boxing ambassador.

The page owner will not make additional changes at this time after the page is updated by Wikipedia. After reviewing the list of requested edits email your feedback for the page owner records, please. Thanks in advance NANGA (talk) 12:25, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

You're not the page owner. No-one is the page owner. The rest of these changes are more of the same promotional junk you've been trying to cram in and had reverted out by multiple editors, so I seriously doubt anyone is going to make them - and they're also completely uncited. Pinkbeast (talk) 12:49, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

As has been explained on your talk page:

• 1. Trinidad and Tobago is not his place of birth, Toronto is
• 2. Self-given nicknames, not widely reported in independent sources, are usually not added
• 3. No evidence that he is Trinidadian and not e.g. Canadian
• 4. He is somewhat, barely, known as an actor and model. His other occupatins seem more like aspirations than anything else
• 5. No way. Really, an "on-camera talent"? A "Professional Boxer" with one (1!) fight against a boxer who lost all his 5 fights so far, and zero evidence of an amateur career despite being nearly an Olympian?
• 6. No, current text is better than proposed text.
• 7. Why? His "acting career" has not received any significant attention.
• 8. No, he isn't.

I totally understand that his PR team wants to make him younger, more exotic, and more succesful than he really is. But not here. Fram (talk) 12:50, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi Fram is it possible to submit an official birth certificate or legal document to clear all the assumptions. His legal birth certificate is from Trinidad & Tobago he was not born in Canada this was assumed by someone because his documentary The Honey Badger was produced and released in Canada. Please advise how he can submit official documentation from a government agency to clear the inaccurate data. Thanks again for your assistance NANGA (talk) 16:18, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

In response to the comment that was made above specifically stating "The rest of these changes are more of the same promotional junk you've been trying to cram in and had reverted out by multiple editors, so I seriously doubt anyone is going to make them - and they're also completely uncited" I just want to bring to the attention of Wikipedia Administrator that there is a line listed twice on the page that needs to be corrected. If you take the time to review the edit request one more time you will notice the following: Under Early Life the following line is listed "Hayes later studied acting at The Second City and Groundlings, and trained at The Ivana Chubbuck Studio.[3]" and again under the next section Acting Career the same content is listed as follows "and began studying at The Second City Toronto.[4]". Its a duplicate of the same information that needs to be corrected. However if you insist that its not a duplicate after reviewing this report thanks for your time. NANGA (talk) 16:32, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

The "born in Toronto" or "born in Canada" claims date from years before The Honey Badger. Fram (talk) 19:53, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Fram did you look into the duplicate line reported above earlier? Once again please advise what is the best way to submit official legal documentation for your review he has an official legal document confirming the date of birth as 1989, the place of birth as Trinidad and Tobago not Canada. Providing proof in good faith will get the wrong records corrected once and for all so there is no more assumption. A birth certificate or government agency document cannot be published publicly on the page, let me know the best way he can submit the file to Wikipedia for review. Thanks again for being attentive to this matter NANGA (talk) 23:44, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Duplicate line removed. I'm not interested in whatever he has done to get the record changed, you have lost all credibility by now with your other, clearly incorrect claims. Fram (talk) 04:51, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Is there an official legal address for Wikipedia to submit legal paperwork not related to this page? Where is the head office for Wikipedia located and where is the legal documentation delivered. Please advise and thanks for your help. NANGA (talk) 07:12, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Interesting! There was no response to a request for the company legal contact but updating the user signature to the current signature was reverted as well. Keep up the good work! NO44 08:05, 29 June 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by NANGA (talk • contribs)

I have no interest in helping you contact the WMF legal team, but I have interest in keeping the integrity of the page. This means e.g. not changing the dates on older comments, which your edit did. Having a signature without any connection to your user is usually frowned upon here, as it makes it a lot harder to communicate. Considering that the current article mentions neither his birthdate nor his country of origin (not the ones originally reported for years but now contested, but also not the new ones which make him more exotic and more likely to be seen as still having a lot of potential (a boxer with only 1 fight aged 27 may still get somewhere: the same situation when you are 32 gets a bit tougher). This is probably the best you may hope for, if it were up to me we would just report the original date and place. Fram (talk) 08:17, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

"Actor and boxer"

I suggest we should actually be describing him as "actor and model". His modelling is reasonably well substantiated, whereas as far as I can make out cites have him appearing in one professional boxing match ever. We might also switch back to File:Daniel_Hayes.jpg - a better shot of his face in my view. Pinkbeast (talk) 21:51, 27 June 2017 (UTC)