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The Wrong Woman

This edit removed this link. Wasn't the link correct? -- UKoch (talk) 17:16, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

I love her, but a BS in math doesn't make you a mathematician

From Wikipedia entry on 'mathematician': Required education Mathematicians usually cover a breadth of topics within mathematics in their undergraduate education, and then proceed to specialize in topics of their own choice at the graduate-level. In some universities, a qualifying exam serves to test both the breadth and depth of a student's understanding of mathematics; the students, who pass, are permitted to work on a doctoral dissertation. 108.169.0.177 (talk) 19:12, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Changed to "mathematics writer" instead of "author, mathematician". Paradoxian (talk) 21:09, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Actor/actress

It would be nice if the native speakers could agree on the use of actor vs. actress. The back-and-forth editing serves no purpose. -- UKoch (talk) 15:55, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

I reiterate. -- UKoch (talk) 18:34, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
Could the interested native speakers of English please decide here? I'm rather tired of this pointless back-and-forth editing. -- UKoch (talk) 16:25, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
See above. -- UKoch (talk) 19:45, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
"Actor" applies to men and women; "actress" applies to women only. MOS:GNL indicates that gender-neutral language is preferable. 217.144.146.41 (talk) 10:53, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
I'm not a native speaker, but "actress" has widespread usage, on Wikipedia as well, and I prefer that over "actor", though I don't like to use less common terms like "comedienne". nyuszika7h (talk) 14:29, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
It has widespread usage. But it's not gender-neutral. The manual of style says "Use gender-neutral language where this can be done with clarity and precision". If you want to argue for using gender-specific language, please explain why. 81.128.173.188 (talk) 19:42, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Please, not again... -- UKoch (talk) 20:35, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

I'm getting tired of this. -- UKoch (talk) 22:41, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
Could you please stop it, all of you? -- UKoch (talk) 21:48, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
I've had it, really. -- UKoch (talk) 20:53, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
I see this is an on-going thing here but Actress is the correct term here. I don't know why the IP editors are picking on this article. Quoting part of MOS:GNL to support their position is not appropriate. It's all or nothing, not just the part that they agree with. --Daffydavid (talk) 05:57, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
Upon further investigation this issue appears to be being pursued by an IP sockpuppet. I suggest revert on sight and reporting the behaviour. --Daffydavid (talk) 06:03, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
Reverts continue the pointless back-and-forth editing, in my opinion. I think substantiated discussion between native speakers would be more productive. -- UKoch (talk) 20:51, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

Beautiful, simply beautiful. Could you (all of you) just take it to this talk page and refrain from switching "actor" to "actress" or vice versa? -- UKoch (talk) 19:24, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

@UKoch: The IP-editor who regularly drops in to change 'actress' to 'actor' was blocked yesterday, just like countless times before, for being the "Best known for"-IP. - Tom | Thomas.W talk 20:18, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the ping, but I don't see how a block resolves the issue. A discussion like the one above (from a year ago) might be more productive. -- UKoch (talk) 21:16, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
@UKoch: The issue will not be resolved on this talk page because anyone can edit Wikipedia so there will always be people who make such changes. Even if a consensus here was hammered out it would be ignored by some editors, and it would have no effect on other articles. You could take the issue up on a policy page. But I really don't see the point. To most English speakers, "actor" is used for either gender and "actress" is used only for females. Wikipedia policies and guidelines will not change how most people use English, and even if there was a guideline that clearly indicates a specific usage, it would not be a blockable offense and thus would do little or nothing to change the "back and forth" on this or any other page. This issue is a product of the idiosyncrasies of a language, human nature, and the way thing do and do not work on Wikipedia. Not much will change that. Sundayclose (talk) 21:50, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Well, I'll discuss then. Ordinarily, my preference would be to use the non-sexist "actor". However, even in 2017, the Oscars still refer to its award recipients as "Best Actress in a Leading Role", rather than "Best Female Actor in a Leading Role", for example; so given the state of the industry, I'm inclined to follow its lead. TJRC (talk) 21:47, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

  • Even the essay on gender-neutral language (Wikipedia:Gender-neutral language, which goes far beyond what MOS says...) only says that editors should avoid using "uncommon gender-marked terms (conductress, career woman, male nurse, aviatrix)" (my emphasis), but actress is most definitely not an uncommon gender-marked term, and is thus free to use... - Tom | Thomas.W talk 21:59, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

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