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Second-hand smoke conjecture

She was exposed to second-hand smoke throughout her career as an entertainer in music clubs and as a waitress.

This line is causally suggestive, but amounts to no more than pure conjecture. Shouldn't it be removed? guanubian 16:31, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If it is true and referenced, it should be there, as passive smoking was likley the cause of her lung cancer.

I've heard it said that stress does not cause cancer, but this woman died unusually young and she certainly had a lot of stress. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skysong263 (talk • contribs) 01:34, 26 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Date of birth issue needs to be resolved

There have been constant changes been made to Dana's date of birth with people disputing between Feb 19 and Mar 17. This has been going on for far too long and thus I have decided to place "February 19 or March 17" on the article page. Any objections? Feel free to add. This unsigned comment was added by 193.1.100.109

S.leamy. March 22, 2006 19:07GMT unsigned comment was added by 193.1.100.109

I would like to note the IMDB gives her birthday as March 17.unsigned comment was added by 193.1.100.109

IMDB is not authoritative in my opinion. If you check bios there, you'll see they are all over the place. They do not check facts. Anyone can register on IMDB and submit anything they want. Crunch 21:03, 22 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

When submitting birth details to IMDB they require you to provide a URL as proof that the date is correct. Concluding that IMDB does in fact check the facts!! Please sign your posts! unsigned comment was added by 193.1.100.105

That is simply not true about IMDB. If you don't provide a URL, they don't reject your submission. Try it. And who is to say that the URL is valid or has valid info? Think about it! Crunch 13:03, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have sent many "date of birth" information to IMDB. They don't let you continue with your submission unless the proof box has been filled with a valid URL. I have been doing it for ages. If anything, Wikipedia is completely unreliable. Anyone at all can come on this site and post all kinds of crap onto any page. s.Leamy

Well, yes, that's exactly the point here, isn't it? Many "valid URLs" from CNN.com to the New York Times listed Dana Reeve's age at death at 44. So IMDB would probably accept those. Does it mean it's correct? The whole thing we're investigating is whether the age and birthdate listed in these URLs is accurate, not whether the URLs themselves are valid. Those are two very different things. Crunch 12:33, 28 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose we could go on about this forever so let's just leave it. Sorry if I seemed snappy. [S.Leamy 10.54GMT 29 March 2006]

3/22/06 This is the anynomous person (from the Christopher Reeve Homepage) contributing to Dana Reeve's profile on Wikipedia. I remembered wrong when I thought I read in a Chris Reeve biography that it said she was born in February. February may yet be right, but I just checked online the one book that I have that mentions when she was born. It is "Man of Steel: The Career and Courage of Christopher Reeve" by Adrian Havill from 1996 where on page 174, according to Amazon.com when I looked up in Books "February 19, 1961 Reeve" and that excerpt that appeared in with the result listed second is:

"... Charles Morosini was born in New Jersey on March 17, 1961. The middle name, Charles, is her father's. Her first years ..."

I suggest double checking with the author as to where he got this younger date from that is in dispute. Now I am not 100% sure about the March date, but since it was mentioned in a book about Chris Reeve and that part was a mini-biographical part about his wife, I take the March 17, 1961 date now to be have some source to it. But if public records differ, the March date may be a public relation age while February 19, 1961, may turn out to be real. With celebrities, I always go by the oldest birthday as their ages are sometimes modified for their careers. I hope this helps. This unsigned comment was added by 67.98.154.35

As I noted below, a seach on ussearch.com, which uses census records, voting records and other legal documents, done on March 8, found a Dana Reeve in Bedford, New York, aged 45. I have never found ussearch.com to be inaccurate. Though there is a first for everything. I don't think she would alter her birth date by 30 days just to help her career, but a search of public records is probably called for. Crunch 21:03, 22 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Age at death

As sad and tragic as Dana Reeve's death is, some news reports are listing her age at death at 44. It's actually 45. I add a (sic) to the listings in the external links that had her age wrong. Crunch 14:01, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the explanation. I wondered. We can change the link when we get a better one. FloNight ^talk 14:07, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind! Turns out the February birthdate was wrong. She was actually born on March 17, 1961. So age 44 is correct. Crunch 14:23, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not so sure now. See heading below. Crunch 23:31, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yahoo nipple fiasco

This should be mentioned in the article [1]. Yahoo screwed this one up big time. RemarK 17:36, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What, pray tell, are you talking about, and how is relevant to this article? Wahkeenah 19:11, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Go to the above link to the Yahoo news article and look closely at the photo. Then take a look at the discussion forum. It is a massive disaster of Biblical proportions. RemarK 19:18, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You mean because her nipples kind of show through her dress? Big deal. Farrah Fawcett broke that taboo 30 years ago, you silly willie. Wahkeenah 19:30, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Of course but then again she just died. You'd think Yahoo would show more respect for those who just died. This reminds me of the Seinfeld episode where Elaine gets her photo taken by Kramer and then sends it out to everyone she knows as a Christmas card. But we shouldn't joke, this is horrible. RemarK 20:15, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

An interesting point. But breasts are beautiful and life-affirming. I like it. :) Wahkeenah 20:23, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This comment was deleted as vandalism the first time it was posted. Thank you for clarifying what you meant but I agree that it is not encylopedic, whether she is alive or dead. It's not as if they posted a nude photo of her. This is a widely-circulated Reeve publicy photo. Crunch 23:40, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Caregiver

There have been a few edits in which people have referred to Dana Reeve as Christopher Reeve's "caregiver," which is also a term used in the media to describe her role. She was not. Though she stayed by his side after his accident and was, as was he, an advocate for spinal chord research and for improved quality of life for those disabled by spinal chord injury, the Reeves always made a point that she was not his caregiver. and they were fortunate enough to be able to afford nurses and other specialists to fill that role. There is a distinction. Crunch 13:25, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Birthdate discrepancy

It seems there is a birthdate discrepancy. It has variously been listed as February 19 and March 17. The media seems to be going with a date that gives her age at death as 44 but they've been wrong in these cases before. Can anyone provide a definitive source? Crunch 23:30, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Answering my own question, www.ussearch.com, which uses voting records and other public records and which I've always found to be super accurate lists a Dana Reeve in Bedford, New York with an age of 45 (check out yourself, your friends and family for validation). This gives credence to the February birthdate. Crunch 23:37, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

IMDB give her date of birth as March 17 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 193.1.100.109

As I said above, IMDB means nothing. It is completely unverified. Crunch 21:09, 22 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Her son

Does anyone know what's going to happen to her son? Obviously, he's got family money, so he's well taken care of in that department. Will Dana's father or Christopher's parents assume responsability for him? Poor kid... Morhange 23:51, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

FoxNews has a story on that. Crunch 23:58, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral Point of View

We're getting into a lot of point of view and unverifiable content in this article. Please familiarize yourself with Wikipedia's Neutral point of view policy and be careful. I understand that Dana Reeev was someone who many of us admired and it's easy to fall into point of view writing in this article. But it's possible to write about her life and still remian neutral, though it's trickier than it might sound. For example, saying "she looked and sounded good" while perfoming at the New York Rangers game on January 12 is a point of view. Most people would probably agree, but each person forms their own opinion on that. So it's best to just state the facts. She performed, sang, and did not mention that her health had deteriorated further. Or, the statement that she was a non-smoker. This is very tricky, indeed. There is no absolutely proof of this from anyone. No one lived with her for all of her life and swore under oath that she never smoked. All we know is she, herself has said she did not smoke. I have no reason to disbelieve her, but that's not the point. To be factually accurate, we should say, "But all accounts a non-smoker" or "She claimed to be have never smoked." This DOES NOT question Reeve's truthfulness, it just very precisely states the source for the statement that she was a non-smoker. Crunch 12:30, 12 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Most complete Dana Reeve profile online

I reverted you edits to Dana Reeve because much of the information is not accurate or appropriate for an encyclopedia. Mixed in may be some content that could be used if worded carefully. Please discuss this on the talk page of the article before you reinsert it. FloNight talk 16:52, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Edit reverts

I reverted the many edits made by IP user:141.150.209.167. Left a note on IP talk page asking for discussion here. There are different problems with different edits. Some are inacurate and others do not follow ~~WP:BLP~~ guidelines about making content encyclopedic verses tabloid or news items. Also problems with WP:MOS. --FloNight ^talk 17:11, 2 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

4/2/06 Hi. I'm an assistant on the Christopher Reeve Homepage at http://www.chrisreevehomepage.com/ and I sourced all the information I put up with links at the bottom. If the wording is not right for Wikipedia, feel free to fix it so that it is. Before I started contributing to this profile of Dana Reeve it was just the bare bones of a profile on her. I added some muscle to it to make it more complete and worthwhile for people using Wikipedia for information on this profile. If you want to have the most complete profile on her, I suggest readding the stuff I put in. I had stuff about her loving of horses in it since that is something she got her husband into since he was allergic to them before; I also added the stuff she did to fundraise for the Christopher Reeve Paralysis Foundation through the years including the tie collection and the new Superman dog tags.

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I understand and appreciate the manuel you are following. I noticed that BLP is for profiles on living people. Since Mrs. Reeve is now deceased, I correctly used past tense. I do not think the bulk of the stuff I added was inappropiate. The only one I was not sure about was the part about her 2002 appearance on the Howard Stern show. But that really happened, I was just reporting what the press did. Again, it is wrong to completely leave out all of my contributions to this profile over the last week (I did them while at work) on another computer. Everything I added was only meant to make the Wikipedia profile on Dana Reeve the most complete and accurate one online since we at the Chris Reeve Homepage don't really cover her or her activities. I thought it would be more helpful to your readers to have more then just a pick and choose of stuff that Mrs. Reeve did that the typical media used. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.150.209.16 (talk • contribs)

I understand what you are saying about encyclopedic verses news verses tabloid. I will leave it to your judgement to repost to the standard Wikipedia style the contributions I added before as 67.98.154.35 and this number. When I add stuff, I expected it to be tightened up grammatically by others not totally removed altogether. Sorry to be a pain, I was just shocked to see everthing I submitted in the last week removed as if it was garbage when I had everything sourced through links I added at the bottom. Again, 21:21, 31 March 2006 was the most complete and verified.

I also appreciate your effort to provide accurate information. However, it is important to understand what makes Wikipedia different from many other Web sites in style, tone, content, form and other aspects. This page on Getting Started may help you. It's not just about "sourcing" information, but about understanding what's encylopedic and what might be considered true and referenced but trivial. Or what may be true and appropriate for a full biography (that she loves horses), but not appropriate for a brief biographical entry in an encylopedia. It would also be helpful if you would register on Wikipedia. It's not required, but it gives you some additional benefits. I also suggest you spend some time looking at other good biographical entries on Wikipedia to get a sense of what makes up a good article. Crunch 19:19, 2 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Excessive links

This might relate to the above discussion, but I think the External Links section needs to be heavily trimmed to make it more useful. At the moment three of the links lead to the same site, and there are links to Amazon products as well as pages that contain information that can already be found here. Pufnstuf 23:18, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Female detective role

"Ironically in 1995 she had a cameo in the HBO movie Above Suspicion that starred her husband where she played a female detective that smoked."

Could this possibly have contributed towards her death from lung cancer, even if it was only a few cigarettes? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by AlexWilkes (talk • contribs) 09:58, 17 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Cancer

The article states the following: On August 9, 2005 Reeve announced that, although she had never smoked cigarettes, she had been diagnosed with lung cancer. I think it would be appropriate to remove the reference to cigarettes, unless she can be quoted directly making that connection and noting its importance. Otherwise, it's kind of like saying "she cut herself, even though she never played with knives." intooblv (talk) 07:21, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It certainly is relevant that she never smoked. The large majority of people who get lung cancer caused it through their own smoking. Readers of an encyclopedia article about a person afflicted with a disease often caused by smoking want to know if the subject smoked. The comparison with knives is not reasonable, as the large majority of cuts are not caused by playing with knives. Best name (talk) 08:01, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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