Talk:Dan Kimball

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Major Update

I've just updated the article to include why Dan is relevant to the Emerging Church conversation. Please feel free to improve on what I've done as I'm not quite happy with it although I like it better than what was there before WinstonKap (talk) 22:27, 24 January 2008 (UTC)WinstonKap[reply]

Book links

Note that external links to Amazon are deprecated because they can be construed as advertising. Use ISBN numbers instead, which auto link to libraries and a wide range of booksellers. --Blainster 04:54, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Controversy introduced by Stan Burger

I noticed that a controversial statement introduced by User: Stan Burger has been deleted by User: INBY. I'm going to add the sentence back in because Stan seems to have a number of references that support his view. Lisatwo 16:45, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

71.103.175.146 (talk · contribs) has removed the updated version of this sentence twice, along with all references. I just went through the references to make sure that they all talk about Dan Kimball, and removed the one reference that did not mention him. I think that this sentence was carefully edited by User:INBY, who I think is friendly towards Mr. Kimball and the Emerging church. Is there a specific part of this sentence that constitutes slander? Lisatwo 19:51, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Unsuitability of Apprising.org as a source

One thing that needs to be settled is the complete unsuitability of apprising.org links and/or information as source material.

1) It is a blog. This, in and of itself, is reason enough for it to not be a source. Per Wikipedia:BLP#Reliable_sources

Self-published books, zines, websites, and blogs should never be used as a source for material about a living person, unless written or published by the subject of the article (emphasis mine)

2) Apprising is poorly sourced Apprising.org is a blog for Apprising "Ministries" (sic), a one-man show run by Ken Silva, the "pastor" of a church of 5 people in rural New Hampshire. It has been documented that more than two thirds of his "research" is simply self-referential links to his own sites, and that the remaining third of his "research" is to sites he contributes to or other blogs [1].

3) Material from the apprising site in unhinged. He has claimed that God raised him up to bring down men like Erwin McManus and Rob Bell, and if you pick out articles at random from his site, like this one [2] it becomes completely apparent that this site is not of the quality required for a W:V verifiable source.

Per Wikipedia:Verifiability#Self-published_sources_.28online_and_paper.29

Self-published sources should never be used as third-party sources about living persons, even if the author is a well-known professional researcher or writer;

This also applies to Lighthouse trails and other similar blogs, as well.--Lyonscc (talk) 15:07, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Possible Removal of the "Defining the "Emerging Church"" section

This section seems to be a Coatrack WP:COAT for discussion of the Emerging Church (which has it's own Wiki page). I would suggest that the entire section be removed, as a coatrack that is not a typical element of a Biography of a Living Person. W:BLP. I'll leave this here for comment for a few days before making such a drastic change, though.--Lyonscc (talk) 15:17, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]