Talk:Dame Rose Tyler

I am not sure why this redirect page exists in Wikipedia for the following reasons:

"Dame Rose Tyler" is technically not the character from the Doctor Who TV series, it is apparently a nom-de-plume of a Dr. Who fanfic author.
"Dame Rose of the Powell Estate" is one of the character's aliases on the show since she was knighted by Queen Victoria with that title as a reward for saving the British Empire from an alien threat.

As a matter of fact, no meaningful parts of the phrase "Dame Rose Tyler of the Powell Estate" are presently within the Rose Tyler article at all. Shearonink (talk) 14:52, 22 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That's a good WP:RfD point to make. I declined the speedy for the Dame Rose Tyler→Rose Tyler redirect because it was tagged as a mainspace→nonmainspace (CSD-R2), which it is not. It's especially confusing that User:Dame Rose Tyler (and the associated user-talk) redirect to the articles--those could be R2'ed perhaps, but the whole thing really requires someone who knows the topic to explain it (thanks for starting the ball rolling Shearonink!), not "obvious enough" to speedy. DMacks (talk) 15:03, 22 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Fully my mistake. I found the redirect through the "what links here" function and I think I was trying to put it into my own userspace so that I could get rid of it that way. I didn't realise that a) I would instead create a redundant userpage b) a redirect would be left in main-space and c) in trying to revert the move a link would be created from the redundant userpage. I agree that the redirects Dame Rose Tyler and Dame Rose Tyler of the Powell Estate are redundant, as is the redirect Dame Rose which could feasibly refer to a real life person and therefore confuse. I am by no means the author of these two redirects but as someone with an interest in the Rose Tyler article I'd support the deletion of the three bolded redirects plus any userpages inadvertently created by myself.

In the context of the show the name itself is presented a joke juxtaposing the idea of council estate and dame. The name is never alluded to again, not even tangentially. WP:CHAR guidelines and WP:FICT generally support the removal of non notable in-universe details and I don't see how having these three redirects helps people find the article in any way especially as none of them could be mistaken for the character's common name or alias. I've done a bit of work shifting the article to an out of universe focus and I think the deleting the redirects seems a logical step.

As someone with no experience of the deletion policy what's next? Eshlare (talk) 20:27, 22 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) Heh, I tagged it after my cross-namespace redirect tool pointed it out as redirecting to a user namespace. After a brief check, I could see no relation between the target and this page (excuse me, I don't watch Dr. Who... it's physically impossible here in the US with broadcast TV), so I tagged it. Sorry about the confusion. ~ Matthewrbowker ^{Talk to me} 20:56, 22 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, I deleted the userspace items (User:Dame Rose Tyler and User talk:Dame Rose Tyler)--thanks for clarifying their situation. I'm not sure if it applies to the situation that got us here, but some tagging tools wind up placing the tag on a redirect-target when the tool is run against the redirect itself, which is confusing as hell for others to try to decipher. That still leaves the "Dame..." redirects themselves, and I'm declining their speedy because it's not completely obvious that it's inappropriate by any of the WP:CSD criteria: Dame Rose Tyler→Rose Tyler appears to have existed for 6 years and it's not hopelessly incorrect (just useless or against other guidelines?). To file an RfD, see WP:RFD#HOWTO--these sorts of items are routinely deleted by that process. DMacks (talk) 08:03, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]